Most seeds of Atlantic Giant are tan color, but some are white. When I learned about the tan and white seeds in an e-mail from Barb Kincaid, I was immediately interested in learning the genetic basis for the two seed colors. At that point I had never seen an Atlantic Giant seed: white or tan. She sent me two white seeds and two tan seeds so I could cross tan x white and self fruits hoping to get homozygous white and tan lines. Since it would take 2 or 3 years and lots of garden space to get the seeds I wanted, I sent an message on the Pumpkins list hoping someone could tell me more and supply homozygous (pure) seeds.
When I sent an e-mail to the Pumpkins list stating my interest in trying to learn whether the seeds colors have a Mendelian basis. I got these replies.
Since it appeared the white seeds might be missing a layer, I dissected a tan seed [561.5 Welty 1997] under a 15X microscope and found the structures shown in the false colors diagram below. The layers of the seed coat are very close to scale; as close as pixel sizes will permit. However, the embryo is shown greatly reduced in order to fit the diagram onto the page.
The above is a false colors diagram of the structure of a tan seed from 561.5 Welty 1997. The total thickness of the seed coats at the flat surfaces of the seed was one mm and this is shown by the 1.0 mm bar on the diagram.
A = external tan color layer (marked vertical fibers in diagram) consisted of closely packed fibers, standing on end. A external surface the fibers are fused to form a shiny hard surface. This a very hard layer. Notice layer A is only 2/3 as thick at the edges of the seed.
B = (shown in white) is a layer of compact white pith. A hollow tube runs around the margin of the seed within layer B. Perhaps this tube has a membrane lining. Perhaps the tube aids in splitting of the seeds at germination or supplies air to the germinating embryo.
C = (shown as red) is a brown layer of vessels which looks exactly like the summer wood of a hardwood tree ring. It is harder than the wood of a tree. There is a single layer of vessels, except at the rim of the seed where there is 2 and then 3 layers of vessels. If you look at your computer screen with a magnifying glass you can see that I have drawn the lumens of the vessel as accurately as pixels allow.
D = (shown in green) is a layer of slightly green fragile huge pith cells. Perhaps this layer cushions the embryoaids withdrawal of the cotyledons from the seed coats. However, the layer remains intact after cotyledons pull out of the seed hull.
E = (shown in black) is a very thin translucent green membrane which forms the base at the pith layer.
F = (shown in black) is a smoky brown translucent thin membrane which covers the embryo. This membrane stays with the seed coats (hull) when the cotyledons pull out of the hull. This membrane is much stronger than layer E.
Not shown is a thin tissue membrane which lies between the distal 2/3 of the cotyledons.
If one applies very light pressure to the cut ends of the cotyledons, a liquid is squeezed out which is probably an oil.
White seeds have the exact same anatomy as tan seeds except white seeds lack layer A and have no vestige of layer A Pepo pumpkins, squash, and gourds lack layers A.
I dissected a seed of the birdhouse gourd and it seems to have only two layers in the seed coat. Both layers contain lots of vessels. The two layers differ in shade of brown and number of vessels. The cotyledons of the gourd seed had the same amount of oil. Gourd lacks the air tube surrounding the embryo. I plan to examine the seeds of other cucurbits.
move this to the seed color page.
The Pumpkinguru wrote, "The #567.5 Mombert is a pittiful thin snow white seed."
I have been told AG seeds vary in color from brown to vary pale. I have had seeds from only five fruits to dissect. I have dissected the pale tan seeds of 231 Welty 1997 (pumpkin) and they have a thin layer A which is about 1/3 the thickness of Layer A in tan seeds of 133 Rivard 1998 and 561.5 Welty 1997. The fibers may be the same length but they are not packed tightly and they are lying down at an angle of about 20 degrees. I hope to cross 213 Welty to a homozygous white line. Perhaps Tt produces a thin Layer A.
Perhaps this is a instance of a semidominant allele. Perhaps the seed has more fibers in layer A when to copies of the T gene are present. Or there may be gene(s) which modify the production of fibers via the T allele.
White seeds are just not mature. A single pumpkin can have both mature (brown seeds) and white soft shell seeds. There is also different types of seeds soft and hard shell. There is a web page out there showing the 2 different types. I cant remember the address thoug.
Troy
Thu Apr 08 1999
From: pumpkins@mallorn.com
Date: 8 Apr 99
Subject: Seed Color
Troy; You are correct that immature seeds are often white, but to set the
record strait many mature seeds are too. As anyone who has planted Kirk
Mombert's 567.5 knows these are mature all white seeds. Many of the decedents
of that seed are also white. My 614 lb. pumpkin, a grandchild of the 567.5,
is a mature all white seed.
Alan R.
Subject: [genetics] Wonderous Seeds
Date: 21 Apr 99
From: genetics@onelist.com
Sent by: "Harold Eddleman Ph.D." <indbio@disknet.com>
Seeds are Wonderous Things - Especially AG white seeds???
CC: to Microscope, BioTeachers, Genetics Lists
When I was age 4 or 5, I was watching Mon wash dry beans for cooking. She gave me the discolored beans and said, "Plant these and they will come up." I planted them in the red clay piled up against the outside cellar steps and in a few days a half dozen bean seedlings were goosenecking up out of the loose clay. Few events in my life were so joyous and wonder-filled. Soon I was planting peach seeds, appleseeds, etc for fun pertending I had an orchard. During the Spring of my second grade mye parents helped me plant the young trees. By the 8th grade I had a two acre orchard. During the last two days, 4 seeds of 133 Rivard 1998 (tan seeds) have been goosenecking out of the soil. One carried its seed coat up and I removed it today and took it to he lab to look at the empty hull because I have been saying the white seeds seem to be missing a layer. The brown seed coat has these layers beginning at the outside. A - hairs on end - 6 units thick - tan color layer. B - semi-dense pith - 1/2 unit thick C - very dense orange brown vessel - 1/2 U thick- like wood of tree D - slightly greenish pith- huge cells, fragile walls - 2 units thick E - thin green membrane which is the base of the cells of D F - thin smoky brown membrane which protects the embryo, but stays with the spent shell. The total thickness of all these layers was exactly 1 mm. Thus, the thickness of the erect fibers layer in AG is about 0.7 mm. No wonder the tan seeds are thicker. Next step would be to plant some white seeds and hope for the same thing. I couldn't wait and got a seed of 482 Welty 1997 (white seeds, squash) and cut off the distal 1/4 of seed across the seed. There was no external palisade layer of hairs standing on end in the white 482 seed. No layer A!! Next I examined the white seed of a superb 85 lb C. pepo pumpkin (white) seed sent by Barb Kincaid. All structures and color were the same except no layer A. I examined 561.5 Welty 1997 (tan seed, pumpkin). This is a spectacular seed: plump, big, shiny, darkest brown I have seen. It was identical to all other seeds and has the layer A. CONCLUSION: Tan or brown seeds have an external layer of tightly packed, perfectly straight, erect fibers which are fused at the tip to make a hard shiny shell. It will be interesting to trace the origin of this dominant genetic trait. The standing fibers completely surround the seed but are 1/4 as long at the edges of the seed. Perhaps Fl would be a good symbol if it proves to be dominant as shown so far. Tan vs White: A few people have written they hope this tan vs white study does not reignite the strong debate about whether tan or white seeds grow the largest fruit. Here is the genetics situation. Assuming tan is carried on one of the 12 chromosomes of Cucurbitia. Then if the seeds are tan, the mother had a chromosome carrying the tan allele (the embryo inside the seed may or may not carry one tan allele). Thus tan is a marker of little value because it is one generation to early, unless a thicker seed coat somehow makes bigger pumpkins. OTHER STRUCTURES of interest. There is a huge open air duct running around the edge of the seed and it has a thin lining. This might help the seed split or move air during germination. I found no layer at the edge to aid separation of the seed. One might postulate such a separation layer (leaves have them so leaf can fall off tree). Or an enzyme might eat away at the edge aid splitting, but no evidence of such because the pith was intact. When I touched the cotyledons with slight pressure, lots of liquid was released--perhaps oil. The cotyledons were without structure - no veins or anything just two lumps of oily nutrition for the young plant. A vein pattern was found on the surface of the cotyledons, but no veins. I used 15X and 25X.
ROOTS I then examined a plant. It was still in the gooseneck stage and the cotyledons had raised to 45 degree angle. This plant became visible at the soil surface 12 hours earlier. I used a camel hair brush to remove the sand. I found 1.5 inch (4 cm) roots in every direction -- 15 roots. Two spades stuck out into the soil just above the rooting zone. As the gooseneck pushes down to lift the cotyledons out of soil, the two spades keep the pencil pointed radicle from spearing deep into the soil and tearing the roots off. AG seeds are wonderous things.
BIO During elementry school I was still interested in seeds and began selling seeds I had grown to neighbors and made about 50 cents per year (gross). I collected all sorts of seeds crop and weeds. I wrote that up for the Westinghouse Science Talent search and got an honorable mention. Purdue awarded me their 3rd largest scholarship that year. Imagine the superior results you can hope for if you now get up and give your child or grandchild a wonderous Atlantic Giant seed instead of some moldy, damaged Navy beans as my moher did.
THANKS The these people contributed seeds or data to this study in the
order mentioned. Barb Kincaid, Rock Rivard, Scott Armstrong, Doug Keel,
Nic Welty, and an unknown kid who threw a pumpkin in our driveway last
Halloween (the seeds had no hairy layer).
-- Harold Eddleman Ph.D.
I have not found the original message.
ubject: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 12:47:44 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Hello Group; Does anyone have info on the 626 Bobier and the 779 Bobier? I would like genetic background and offspring info. I do know that the 819 Stephenson was from the 627, any other info would be appreciated. I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland seeds. I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical brown and shiny the other is white and long with a double seed side line running down its side. Any buddy help? Thanks Alan R.
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ubject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 13:34:12 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Hi Alan,
> Does anyone have info on the 626 Bobier and the 779 Bobier? I would >like genetic background and offspring info.
Here is the info I have :
627 Bobier 97 (795.5 Bobier 96 x 804 Zehr 94) | |--598 Bailey 98* (627 x self) |--762 Smith 98 (627 x open) |--819 Stephenson 98 (627 x 1061 Zehr 96)
779.5 Bobier 97 (1006 Greer 96 x 795.5 Bobier 96) | |--550 Failor 98 (779.5 x open) |--616 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x open) |--625 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x 649 Holland)
> I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland seeds. >I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical
Sorry, I have no info on the seed colors of the Holland seeds. Do you have parentage info for the 903, I don't have anything at all on this one.
Till next time...
Rock jenaipas@netrover.com
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ubject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 14:08:22 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
903 Holland - 567.5 Mombert x 990 Bax.............hope this helps..............Wayne
---------- > From: Rock Rivard <jenaipas@netrover.com> > To: pumpkins@mallorn.com > Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted > Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:17 PM > > > > Hi Alan, > > > Does anyone have info on the 626 Bobier and the 779 Bobier? I would > >like genetic background and offspring info. > > Here is the info I have : > > 627 Bobier 97 (795.5 Bobier 96 x 804 Zehr 94) > | > |--598 Bailey 98* (627 x self) > |--762 Smith 98 (627 x open) > |--819 Stephenson 98 (627 x 1061 Zehr 96) > > 779.5 Bobier 97 (1006 Greer 96 x 795.5 Bobier 96) > | > |--550 Failor 98 (779.5 x open) > |--616 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x open) > |--625 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x 649 Holland) > > > I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland > seeds. > >I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical > > Sorry, I have no info on the seed colors of the Holland seeds. Do you have > parentage info for the 903, I don't have anything at all on this one. > > Till next time... > > Rock jenaipas@netrover.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the > message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS
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Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 15:47:50 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
pumpkins@mallorn.com wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > > Does anyone have info on the 626 Bobier and the 779 Bobier? > Here is the info I have : > > 627 Bobier 97 (795.5 Bobier 96 x 804 Zehr 94) > | > |--598 Bailey 98* (627 x self) > |--762 Smith 98 (627 x open) > |--819 Stephenson 98 (627 x 1061 Zehr 96)
Rock Rivard supplied the above data.
Here are some comments from a genetics viewpoint. Keep in mind I have no idea which seeds will help someone win a contest. The 627 Mobier had good large parents; why didn't it weigh 800 pounds? We do not know. It is somewhat like two outstanding musicians can't expect their child to be as good at music as they were. Although the two parents can train their child, the parents of 627 Bobier could not tutor Bobier on what pumpkins really need. I agree with all the others on Pumpkins list who have pointed out that the genetic potential of every seed in 627 Bobier probably differs. At first glance, it might seeem that the weights of the 3 progeny Bailey, Smith, and Stephenson prove that, but of course we realize that environment and weather greatly affect the weight of pumpkins. It happens that the 3 kids had different types of pollen, however, I would not attribute the self, open, or cross types of pollen to have had any effect on size of the fruit they pollinated. [I am on weak ground here because we know that a non pollinated fruit will drop off the vine and some growers have reported mis-shaped, small fruit due to poor pollination.] Since two of the 3 kids had weights of about 800 pounds, it would seem that 627 Bobier and his parents had good ability to pass on their desireable traits. That is not always true. Allstate is big, decent strawberry, but it is famous for having no childern of notice--some parents just do not have the ability to pass on their own high quality traits. Perhaps the parent's great ability was the result of several good genes and no child gets all of them.
-- Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. mailto:indbio@disknet.com Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/pk.htm
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ubject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 22:29:50 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
First, my 627(97) cross was the 796.5(96)Bobierx1006(96)Greer. The plant produced three flawless, orange, round pumpkins. The others were about 580 and 480 lbs. The plant was infected by a cucumber beetle and suffered from bacteria wilt. For about half the growing season the center of the plant was rotted , and only part of the vines to each pumpkin itself contributed to each fruits growth. I feel that there was much more potential for fruit growth, but due to the wilt(in all my plants that year) true growth potential was never realized. I hope this information helps.
By the way, I took 1998 off and maximized my patches soils. Hope the beetle problem is gone, but will take precautions to eliminate. Look for some monsters this year from my patches. Ready and able. Good luck to all in 99.
Bill
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Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 22:44:52 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
879 Holland is a traditional brown seed (I have some of these, but don't have the 903). It is my inderstanding that the 903 was a split on the same plant as the 879, so this is interesting to see two different types of seeds from the same plant. Anybody want to make some speculation on random mutation frequency.
Nic Welty
> I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland seeds. >I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical >brown and shiny the other is white and long with a double seed side line >running down its side. Any buddy help? Thanks > Alan R. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the >message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS > >
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Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted ---- Date: 27 Apr 99 23:02:28 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Alan ... as Rocky lists... the 625 Kennedy was from the 779.5 Bobier... this pumpkin (Wayne's 625) had very good orange color and great shape too... a good picture of this is on Mike N's web page - I wanted to mention to the group that I started this seed late as a backup -- and the 625 turned out to be a very nice young plant -- huge main vine -- and very huge leaves as well.. I really thought this seed might produce a nice colored fruit etc.... but I wasn't able to keep the plant... (a Mombert 937 is working out nice -- and I'm letting this one go as my main plant ((60 or so pounder going currently)) --- anyway --- Hackney mentioned recently that the backup plants might surprise you and sometimes and turn out to be the better one --- I'll sure be keeping the 625 in mind next go'round ... I'd say plant or strongly consider trying the 625 if you have it...
Best of luck to all this year... Tim, Florida.. just NW of Key West..
ps... 649 Holland '97 ... (697X567.5) --- produced Joel's 750 in 98
Rock Rivard wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > > Does anyone have info on the 626 Bobier and the 779 Bobier? I would > >like genetic background and offspring info. > > Here is the info I have : > > 627 Bobier 97 (795.5 Bobier 96 x 804 Zehr 94) > | > |--598 Bailey 98* (627 x self) > |--762 Smith 98 (627 x open) > |--819 Stephenson 98 (627 x 1061 Zehr 96) > > 779.5 Bobier 97 (1006 Greer 96 x 795.5 Bobier 96) > | > |--550 Failor 98 (779.5 x open) > |--616 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x open) > |--625 Kennedy 98 (779.5 x 649 Holland) > > > I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland > seeds. > >I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical > > Sorry, I have no info on the seed colors of the Holland seeds. Do you have > parentage info for the 903, I don't have anything at all on this one. > > Till next time... > > Rock jenaipas@netrover.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the > message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS
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: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 27 Apr 99 23:27:58 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
The 567.5 (mother) had white seeds, anyone know the color of the 990 Bax (pollinator). I won't /can't speculate on why this happened, but I can bet that Harold is going to have a ball with this one ;-)
Till next time...
Rock jenaipas@netrover.com
-----Message d'origine----- De : Welty <ldnwelty@raex.com> À : pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com> Date : mardi, avril 27, 1999 22:42 Objet : Re: Seed Info Wanted
>879 Holland is a traditional brown seed (I have some of these, but don't >have the 903). It is my inderstanding that the 903 was a split on the same >plant as the 879, so this is interesting to see two different types of seeds >from the same plant. Anybody want to make some speculation on random >mutation frequency. > >Nic Welty > >> I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland >seeds. >>I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical >>brown and shiny the other is white and long with a double seed side line >>running down its side. Any buddy help? Thanks >> Alan R. >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the >>message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the >message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS >
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ubject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 28 Apr 99 00:35:48 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Nic and Rock; I have both seeds from Kuhns 1997, 567.5 plant. He grew on this plant his 929.2 and his 607. The 929.2 is typical brown the 607 is as white as it gets. I guess the makeup of each pumpkin on a plant is or can be very different. The other possibility is the male pollinator may play a big role in seed color. The 929.2 was pol. against the 559 Geerts. The 607 was open Pol.
Alan R. Thank You to all who helped answer my seed questions. I guess I need to call Joe Holland to get the final word on his seeds. Thank You to all that took the time to check there seed colors.
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Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 28 Apr 99 01:27:06 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Thanks for the correction and info. -----Message d'origine----- De : WBobier@aol.com <WBobier@aol.com> À : pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com> Date : mardi, avril 27, 1999 22:26 Objet : Re: Seed Info Wanted
>First, my 627(97) cross was the 796.5(96)Bobierx1006(96)Greer. The plant >produced three flawless, orange, round pumpkins. The others were about 580 >and 480 lbs. The plant was infected by a cucumber beetle and suffered from >bacteria wilt. For about half the growing season the center of the plant was >rotted , and only part of the vines to each pumpkin itself contributed to >each fruits growth. I feel that there was much more potential for fruit >growth, but due to the wilt(in all my plants that year) true growth potential >was never realized. I hope this information helps. > >By the way, I took 1998 off and maximized my patches soils. Hope the beetle >problem is gone, but will take precautions to eliminate. Look for some >monsters this year from my patches. Ready and able. Good luck to all in 99. > >Bill > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the >message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS >
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Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 28 Apr 99 01:27:06 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Thanks for the correction and info. -----Message d'origine----- De : WBobier@aol.com <WBobier@aol.com> À : pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com> Date : mardi, avril 27, 1999 22:26 Objet : Re: Seed Info Wanted
>First, my 627(97) cross was the 796.5(96)Bobierx1006(96)Greer. The plant >produced three flawless, orange, round pumpkins. The others were about 580 >and 480 lbs. The plant was infected by a cucumber beetle and suffered from >bacteria wilt. For about half the growing season the center of the plant was >rotted , and only part of the vines to each pumpkin itself contributed to >each fruits growth. I feel that there was much more potential for fruit >growth, but due to the wilt(in all my plants that year) true growth potential >was never realized. I hope this information helps. > >By the way, I took 1998 off and maximized my patches soils. Hope the beetle >problem is gone, but will take precautions to eliminate. Look for some >monsters this year from my patches. Ready and able. Good luck to all in 99. > >Bill > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the >message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS >
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ubject: Re: Seed Info Wanted Date: 28 Apr 99 01:27:06 -0500 From: pumpkins@mallorn.com To: Indbio
Ok I just pulled two 903's out of the package and mine are light tan and smaller than average.........no other markings.....................hope this helps.......................Wayne
---------- > From: Welty <ldnwelty@raex.com> > To: pumpkins@mallorn.com > Subject: Re: Seed Info Wanted > Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:09 PM > > 879 Holland is a traditional brown seed (I have some of these, but don't > have the 903). It is my inderstanding that the 903 was a split on the same > plant as the 879, so this is interesting to see two different types of seeds > from the same plant. Anybody want to make some speculation on random > mutation frequency. > > Nic Welty > > > I also would like to know if anyone can tell me colors of 2 Holland > seeds. > >I know one is from his 879 the other is from his 903. One seed is typical > >brown and shiny the other is white and long with a double seed side line > >running down its side. Any buddy help? Thanks > > Alan R. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@mallorn.com with the > >message text UNSUBSCRIBE PUMPKINS > > > > >
Seed colors (jenaipas@netrover.com, 04/12/99 22:37) To: Indbio
Just for information's sake, here are a few seed colors that I know of : t = tan w = white
133 Rivard 1998 UOW t 193 Ickes 1998 t 200 Marks 1998 t 225 Ives 1998 w 319 Andrews 1998 t 335 Vogt 1998 t 343 Elkins 1998 w 348 Greene 1998 t 369 Ives 1997 w 398 Ives 1998 t 418 Andrews 1998 t 420 Nepereny 1998 t 429 Michalec 1998 w 440 Ives 1998 t 444 Failor 1997 t 473.6 Lial 1998 w 540 Sandvik 1998 t 553 Barlow 1998 t 607 Greer 1998 t 614 Reynolds 1998 w 616 Kennedy 1998 t 625 Kennedy 1998 t 650 Reynolds 1998 t 727 Greer 1997 w 728 Welty 1998 t 734 Marcellus 1998 t 818 Jervis 1998 t 819 Stephenson 1998 t 879 Rockwell 1998* UOW t 968 Sproule 1998 t 1010 MacKenzie 1998 t
Most of these are 98's so they have little to tell unless the parent's seed color is known, but at least we can watch for their progeny in the futur.
Till next time...
Rock jenaipas@netrover.com