This page eg927s is devoted to the Johann Nicholas Säger family which was on board the above voyage. Please send your informtion.
Nicolaus SAEGER was born in Reichenbach, Bavaria, about 1694. He arrived at Philadelphia with his wife, Anna Barbara, and seven children on Sept. 28, 1733. He died in 1762. He had twelve children, of whom there survived him, Anna Mary, Anna Barbara, Samuel, Christian, Christina Barbara, Mary Margaret, John Nicholas, John Jacob, Anna Elisabeth and John. [Records of Egypt Reformed Church, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.]
Nicolaus SAEGER was born in Reichenbach, Bavaria, about 1694 according to the above info. We have no record of the family life in Germany or the jouney to Rotterdam. Press here for General information.
He arrived at Philadelphia with his wife, Anna Barbara, and seven children on Sept. 28, 1733. He died in 1762. He had twelve children, of whom there survived him, Anna Mary, Anna Barbara, Samuel, Christian, Christina Barbara, Mary Margaret, John Nicholas, John Jacob, Anna Elisabeth and John.
Subject: Saeger on Richard and Elizabeth <=== Beginning of e-mail
from Tory Shade about Säger
Date: 9 Mar 99 tanda@clas.net
To: Indbio
I have the transcription of an oral history plus the recounting of a family tree that a now deceased relative saw back in 1959. I'm trying to trace members of that person's family who might have more info. In the meantime, the following is a summary of what I have. (Is it reasonable to think that these two people may be the same?):
Info is from notes from 84 year old grandson of Daniel Saeger, for who Saegertown, PA was named (1823), and his cousin, while a relative was visiting them in 1959.
"Johan Nicolas Saeger (also spelled Sager) was born in Bavaria in 1694. A cording to my notes he came to Philadelphia Sept 23, 1788 but this does not sound reasonable that he migrated at age 94. There are some links which I failed to get in such a hasty visit but Mr. ____ has the complete tree."
I'm thinking the person who took notes had trouble distinguishing 3s and 8s. The passenger list for the Sept 28, 1733 arrival of Richard & Elizabeth included "Johan Nicholas Sager age 39 and Anna Barbara Sager age 28." Calculating back that would have JNS born in 1694 - the same year as the person in my info. Does this make any kind of sense as a working hypothesis?
Since the person being interviewed was in Pennsylvania at the time, then perhaps that info came from previously published records, such as you have cited on your web page, and not "oral history".
Tory Shade tanda@clas.net
indbio@disknet.com - Harold Eddleman - I am Editor of this page and I hope you will send me any info that you have about this family. I am not related to the family. The only info I have is what the people have sent me and it is all entered on this page.
tanda@clas.net - Tory Shade - I am a descendant of the Saeger family. I want to correspond with anyone having knowledge of this family.
We have no information except that given above. The
A List of the Passengers imported in the Brigantine Richard and Elizabeth, Captain Christopher Clymer, from Rotterdam and Plymouth, Sept. 28, 1733 (From Names of Foreigners who took the Oath of Allegiance and Pennsylvania German Pioneers)
* = took oath of allegiance; if spelling of name differs, the name in ( ) is from the oaths of allegiance spelling. Numbers are age of the person.
The letters m, w, b, g before the age are for man, woman, boy, girl. When I got the list it was in four parts and I added the gender prefix to the ages because in two instances the person's age was too great to be a girl. Also some names might not indicate gender. -- Harold Eddleman
The ship list (men, women, boys, girls), and the notes from Burgert's book were provided by William Rodney Eddleman. The lists did not indicate family relationships. I merely grouped the names together as possible families. The notation wife? in the list may not be true. The woman could be some other relative. The man I have indicated as the husband might, instead, be a brother or other relative of the husband. I hope readers will be able to comfirm or disprove some of these proposed relationships. Such is the purpose of these online workshops.
------ Tory later send the following -------------
Date: 9 Mar 99
From: tanda@clas.net
I just had the fun of finding baptismal records for this Saeger for about 100 years: 1730s - 1830s! Records of Egypt Reformed Church Lehigh County, Pennsylvania. It included the following info:
Note # 11. Nicolaus SAEGER was born in Reichenbach, Bavaria, about 1694. He arrived at Philadelphia with his wife, Anna Barbara, and seven children on Sept. 28, 1733. He died in 1762. He had twelve children, of whom there survived him, Anna Mary, Anna Barbara, Samuel, Christian, Christina Barbara, Mary Margaret, John Nicholas, John Jacob, Anna Elisabeth and John.
Tory tanda@clas.net
Ulrich Burghalter* m40 and wife? Barbara Burghalter
34
..Hance Peter Burghalter b1 1/2
..Anna Barbara Burghalter g4
..Elixabeth Burghalter g14 Anna Catherina Burghalter g12 Anna Magdalena
Burghalter g8
http://members.aol.com/DrpFamTree/burkholder.html
gives a will and the following info about other families on this voyage.
This also has info on the Sager family from the same ship
Ulrich Burkhalter was born ca 1693 in Europe and died before April 16,
1762 in Whitehall Township, Northhampton County, Penn. About 1720, he married
Barbara ----. The Burkhalter family arrived at Philadelphia on Sept. 28,
1733 on the brigantine "Richard and Elizabeth". Ulrich was 40,
Barbara was 34, and the children were Elizabeth 14, Anna Catherina 12,
Anna Magdalena 8, Anna Barbara 4, Margaretha 2 1/2 and Hance Peter 1 1/4.
Also on board the "Richard and Elizabeth" were Johan Nicholas
Sager age 39 and Anna Barbara Sager age 28, and Abraham Wootring age 33
and his wife Anna Margaretha age 32. All three of these families settled
in Whitehall Township. This info from the URL above.
http://bizserve.com/home/kenburk/hist.html
gives info about family in Berne, Switzerland
Immigrant's surname: BURGHALTER Immigrant's given name(s): Ulrich Ship
name: Richard & Elizabeth U.S. arrival date: 28 SEP 1733 Port: Philadelphia,
PA Place of origin: - Source: DAR & Notes of Egypt Reformed Church
RecordsSubmitted by: Cathy Moor Email address: CathyMoor@juno.comAddress:
Box 5 Hockessin, DE 19707
Johann Nicolas Seeger* (Johan Nicholas Säger) m39 and wife? Anna
Barbara Säger w28
..Johan Henrich Säger b8 Samuel Säger b6 Johan Christian Säger
b2
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Editor writes: http://members.aol.com/DrpFamTree/burkholder.html
gives info on this Sager family:
On board the "Richard and Elizabeth" were Johan Nicholas Sager
age 39 and Anna Barbara Sager age 28, and Abraham Wootring age 33 and his
wife Anna Margaretha age 32. All three of these families settled in Whitehall
Township. See above.
Abraham Wotring* (Abraham Wootring) m33 and wife? Anna Margaretha Wootring
w32
.. Hance Peter Wootring b9
# [See Burgert,1992
she wrote: (origin) => (destination in America)
Abraham Wotring--Diedendorf, Vinstingen (Fenetrange) => Bucks/Lehigh
Co., Pa.]
# #http://members.aol.com/DrpFamTree/burkholder.html
gives info on this Wootring family:
Abraham Wootring age 33 and his wife Anna Margaretha age 32. The Wootring,
Sager and Burkholder families settled in Whitehall Township. See
above.
# Phil Wotring, Milton, Kentucky pwotring@rotarylift.com
wrote 20 Nov 98:
I am a descendant of Abraham Wotring who settled in Bucks County, Pa.,
Abraham, Jr. then moved to Aurora, W.Va. and founded a community. I grew
up near there. It's great to find this site. I have a lot of information
about the descendants of Abraham in West Virginia. Love to hear from you.
I would be happy to share my information.
Origins and Destinations of Some Passengers (From Annette Kunselman Burgert. 1992. Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America. Picton Press, Camden, Maine)
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Johann Nicolas Seeger* (Johan Nicholas Säger) m39 and wife? Anna
Barbara Säger w28
..Johan Henrich Säger b8 Samuel Säger b6 Johan Christian Säger
b2
We have begun a page for the Säger family at eg927s.htm
Editor writes: http://members.aol.com/DrpFamTree/burkholder.html
gives info on this Sager family:
On board the "Richard and Elizabeth" were Johan Nicholas Sager
age 39 and Anna Barbara Sager age 28, and Abraham Wootring age 33 and his
wife Anna Margaretha age 32. All three of these families settled in Whitehall
Township. See above.
Subject: Saeger on Richard and Elizabeth <=== Beginning of e-mail
from Tory Shade about Säger
Date: 9 Mar 99 tanda@clas.net
To: Indbio
I've just noticed your web page, while surfing to find Johan Nicolas Saeger.
I have the transcription of an oral history plus the recounting of a family tree that a now deceased relative saw back in 1959. I'm trying to trace members of that person's family who might have more info. In the meantime, the following is a summary of what I have. (Is it reasonable to think that these two people may be the same?):
Info is from notes from 84 year old grandson of Daniel Saeger, for who Saegertown, PA was named (1823), and his cousin, while a relative was visiting them in 1959.
"Johan Nicolas Saeger (also spelled Sager) was born in Bavaria in 1694. A cording to my notes he came to Philadelphia Sept 23, 1788 but this does not sound reasonable that he migrated at age 94. There are some links which I failed to get in such a hasty visit but Mr. ____ has the complete tree."
I'm thinking the person who took notes had trouble distinguishing 3s and 8s. The passenger list for the Sept 28, 1733 arrival of Richard & Elizabeth included "Johan Nicholas Sager age 39 and Anna Barbara Sager age 28." Calculating back that would have JNS born in 1694 - the same year as the person in my info. Does this make any kind of sense as a working hypothesis?
Since the person being interviewed was in Pennsylvania at the time, then perhaps that info came from previously published records, such as you have cited on your web page, and not "oral history".
By the way, thank you for making this info available.
Tory Shade tanda@clas.net
------ Tory later send the following -------------
Subject: Re: eg927 voyage of Richard - Saeger
Date: 9 Mar 99
From: tanda@clas.net
I just had the fun of finding baptismal records for this Saeger for about 100 years: 1730s - 1830s! Records of Egypt Reformed Church Lehigh County, Pennsylvania. It included the following info:
Note # 11. Nicolaus SAEGER was born in Reichenbach, Bavaria, about 1694. He arrived at Philadelphia with his wife, Anna Barbara, and seven children on Sept. 28, 1733. He died in 1762. He had twelve children, of whom there survived him, Anna Mary, Anna Barbara, Samuel, Christian, Christina Barbara, Mary Margaret, John Nicholas, John Jacob, Anna Elisabeth and John.
Thanks again for your fascinating web page.
Tory tanda@clas.net
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