It appears two unrelated Edelmann families lived in Maryland five decades before the Revolutionary War. The progenitor of one family was Adam Eddleman and his family remained in MD after the other had moved away. The Adam Eddleman family was active in the Rev war in Maryland. The other family was headed by Philip Edelmann and offers a complex history because of possible name changes and migrations. Perhaps all members of the Philip Edelmann family left Maryland for North Carolina and Virginia about 1763.
Many spelling similar to Edelmann are found in Maryland records. Sorting each of these folks into the correct family will be one of the difficult tasks of this workshop. In fact, when we accomplish that, the lineages of the Maryland Edelmann families may become obvious. Some of the spellings seen are Addleman, Idleman, E, E, and E. A dozen reseachers have made contributions since about 1955. We encourage everyone reading this page to pitch and enjoy the work. We especially need people who have access to Maryland land, church, tax, military, maritime records.If you can't do that, go to TIGER (US.Cenus) and prepare maps of the Edelman localities mentioned on this page. Everyone has access to history books. You can collect Maryland history and what life was like in Maryland before the Rev. War. E-mail your Maryland data to EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com. so that everyone will see your data. Subscribe to that discussion group now (free). The Editor of this page will see your messages and archive them at the bottom of this page. Please contribute to the discussion. If something does not look right, say so. If you see something others are overlooking, call attention to that.
Some Eddleman came from Europe to Pennsylvania and remained there for there entire lives. Many immigrants found opportunities limited in PA and joined wagon trains in PA and migrated directly to North Carolina within a few weeks. It appears, most of the Edelman who left PA settled in Maryland for many decades before their childern moved on to VA or NC, some even moved back to western PA when then land opened for settlement. From NC and VA Addleman and Eddleman migrated via several routes: VA => OH + IN; NC => KY => IN => The West; NC => TN; NC => SC => southern states => Texas. Can you find or draw an early map to help show these migrations?
Some possibilities that should be considered:
This family has no known relationship to the other Edelman families in Maryland.
Michael Edleman served in Rev. War from Maryland. On 1829 Oct 28, at age 74, he filed for his pension #S38678 from Greene County, TN. He enlisted 1777 March and was discharged near Morristown, NJ. He had sev en childern and five? reached adulthood: Jacob age 31), Betsy (age 30), Isaac (1778), Sarah (1782), and Elizabeth (1785).
We believe this Philip was born in Switzerland or Alsace as Filb Jakob Edelmann, son of Hanss David Edelman who was a citizen of Rott. If so, this Philip was married and had a son named Baltazar when he and his father landed in Philadelphila on 1733 Sep 28 on the ship Richard and Elizbeth. That Philip and his father David are the subject of another workshop which has become too large to download quickly. Therefore this workshop was organized to study just the Maryland Edelmann families in hopes of establishing whether this Philip is the same Philip who is well documented on the ship.
What evidence can we find in Maryland for the childern of Philip Edelman? In his book The American Addlemans (1991), Robert P. Addleman gave this possible list of childern for Filb Jakob Edelmann:
1m William ?
2m David ?
3m Daniel - Robert Addleman believes this son changed his name to Addleman
4f Maria Magdalena
5f Catruba, born 1741 Nov 15, bpt 1741 Dec 16 (Hanover, York County PA)
I am listing the following possible childern and events as a trial biography of Filb Jakob Edelman. We will be looking in Maryland for data to clarify and complete this trial biography. Some events below do not seem to fit time and place, but are included because others thought they were part of this Philip's life.
Age. Year.............Event...................Reference .........(age means age of Filb Jakob Edelman)
00.... 1708 - Birth date - Calculated from age given on ship
list .
05.... 1713 May 13; his sister Anna Elizabeth Edelmann baptised
08.... 1716 Sep 6; his sister Maria Ursela Edelmann baptised
21.... 1729 - his son? Balazar born; this child appears on ship list as
sick.
23.... 1731 - Hanss Adam Edelman (brother?) leaves Rott - Zweibrucken Manumissions
24.... 1732 Jan 15 - married Maria Margaretha Wenner, dau of Simon Wenner
of Oberhoffen (a nearby village) Burget book
25.... 1733 - Zweibrucken Manumissions Protocoll, Cleeburg, 1733, show
Hanss David and Phillip Edelmann move with wives and childern to Pennsylvania
(release by local ruler)
25.... 1733 Sep 28 - arrives in Philadelphia on ship Richard and
Elizabeth
33.... 1741 Nov 15 - dau? Catrina born; bpt 1741 Dec 16, Hanover, York
Co. PA;
..Sponsors: Bernhart Houx and wife
55.... 1760 - 1765 Philip may have died in Maryland; son? David migrates
to North Carolina
56.... 1761 Mar 24 grandson? baptised (son of David
and Catherine Edelman Lischy
57.... 1762 - sons? David and Daniel contribut to subscription list between
Lutheran and Reformed at Baltimore MD
58.... 1763 - David Idleman deeds land to George Meyer; addition to Bridgeland
Baltimore County Deeds Register 1659-1800
57.... 1765 - son? David at a baptism in NC
who came from Rott at age
17xx
Please look in Baltimore shiplists for the Edelman name. None found so far, except maybe Daniel Eddleman. Where is Daniel seen in Europe as a give3n name of Eddleman?
Summarize info from Addleman book here. Then he went to Virginia
Another source I have on this family is Robert Addleman's book on the Addleman family. All the Addlemans in the U.S. apparently descend from Hans Michael Addleman or Daniel Addleman. It appears Daniel originally spelled his name Edelman and some evidence suggests he may be from the Phillip line (possibly a son). This family (Daniel) later moved to Virginia. --Bill Eddleman
Robert P. Addleman in his book The American Addlemans traces most American Addleman Clans back to -------- Addleman who immigrated from ----- in Germany on the ship ---- to PA ibn in the year. However, he also finds some decended from Daniel Addleman of VA, who he belives may have been a son of Philip Jakob Edelmann of Rott, Alsace. Give Addleman' path of name change for Daniel here
No record of Hanss David in Maryland
David Edelmann of Rott, Alsace, came to America with his family, arriving in Philadelphia on 1733 Sep 28, on the ship Richard and Elizabeth. In ___ they were living at Lancaster, PA. David's son Philip Jakob Edelmann was found in Maryland in 17__. where his son was born. Philip had many land transactions in Maryland in years 17__, 17__, Philip's son David ___ land in 17__ just 2 years before a David Edelmann ___ in NC. We do not have a documented trail of this David to NC, but David is a name never used by Germans except in the David zu Rott Clan. It appears one son of Philip zu Rott changed his last name to Addleman and one of his descendants published a book on this branch of the family.
I. Hans David Eddleman, b. 1684 calc. Citizen of Rott (a village near Steinseltz in Alsace)
His wife was Anna Margaretha ___; Did she die before the family came to America?
Childern of the above couple - all born in Europe
1. Philip Jakob, b. ~1708; see IIA
2. Anna Elizabeth bp. 1713 May 13; see IIB
3. Maria Ursela, bp. 1716 Sep 6
4. a dau ___, b. 1718 June 9; bp. 1718 June 11;
IIA. Phillip Jakob Edelmann son of David Edelmann of Rott,
married Maria Margaretha Wenner on 1732 Jan 15; the dau of Simon Wenner of Oberhoffen (a nearby village)
Zweibrucken Manumissions Protocoll, Cleeburg, 1733, show David and Phillip Edelmann move with wives and childern to Pennsylvania
1733 Sep 28 shiplist of Richard and Elizabeth show families of David and Phillip Edelmann debarking at Philadelphia
1733 Sep 28 At Philadelphia courthouse aforesaid appear before The Honorable Lt. Governor and several Magistrates. Forty three Palatines (adult males), who with their families, making in all One hundred Thirty seven persons, were imported here in, Briganteen Richard & Elizabeth of Philadelphia, Christopher Clymer, Master from Rotterdam, but last of Plymouth, as by clearance thence,
17xx Lancaster, PA
notes on MD
Childern of Phillip and Margaretha
1. -----
2. ------ to be continued.
IIB. Anna Elizabeth Eddleman bp. 1713 May 13;
married Matthew Bausser in Alsace
Pennsylvania German Folklore Society Vol 1: (1936). A List of German Immigrants to the American Colonies from Zweibrücken in the Palatinate (1728-1749). Bavarian State Archives, Speyer, Germany, Zweibrücken 111, 2055.
page 107 - Oberamt, Bergzabern, Cleeberg.
1731: Hans Adam Edelmann of Rott leaves the country.
1733: David and Philip Edelman, Michael Hammer, and Peter Scheib of
Seinselz with wives and childern for America.
Pennsylvania German Pioneers. Vol 1, Published 1934 by Pennsylvania German Society. A list of the passengers imported in the Brigantine, Richard and Elizabeth, Captain Christopher Clymer, 1733 Sep 28. List of the adult males arriving on of this ship. This list of males is also located below on this page in color code. Partial list of passengers:
in part Philip Jacob Edelman Age 25 Mattes Bouser age 63
David Edelman " 49 Matthes Bowser " 22
Anna Maria Edelman " 54
Margaretha Edelman " 26 Esther Bowser " 49
Baltazar Edelman " 4
Anna Elizabeth (nee Edelmann) Bowser " 20
Bousser is the spelling found in the church records
These ages suggest David may be the father of
Philip Jacob, but these could all be siblings or cousins. What you think?
How can we determine? There have been instances where pastor notes have
resolved such qüstions. Does anyone have access to any church records
related to these families?
Records of First Reformed Church of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Births:
1737 John David Edelman s. of Jacob; b. Dec 1, 1730; bapt. May 15, 1737
1739 Anna Margret, dau. of Matthew Bauser and Anna Elizabeth Edelman
baptised May 12, 1739 shows Bauser is correct spelling
1739 David son of Mathew Bauser and Anna Eliz. Edelman, bapt. May12,1739 shows wife of Mathew Bauser was an Edelman maybe dau of David of Steinseltz. It also appears that this family did not use the Edelmann nn spelling
Insert here other records of the above church to aid our study.
In 1957, William H. Eddleman, recognized Anna
Elizabeth Bowers was an
Edelmann by examining the above church records. This suggests we should
print the entire ship list here and look for relationships which might
help us learn more about Edelmann by looking at related familie
It seems pretty certain that Matthew Bauser (Bowser) married Anna Elizabeth Edelman (as teenagers) in Europe before they came to America, based on birth records of First Reformed Church of Lancaster, PA, see above.
born 1684 calc place of birth unknown
born 1708 calc place of birth unknown
about 1750 moved to Maryland says Bill Eddleman
his wife:
His childern:
Check at your libraries, Family History Centers, and other resources for the following. With time we can make these qüstions more specific.
1. Records of the First Reformed Church of Lancaster, PA, for Eddleman, Bowser, etc.
2. All Pennsylvania German books and websites for Eddleman and Bowser.
3.
Steinselz is rock salt.
Alsace was then under Germany. Constant warring depopulated this land many
times.
Rott and Steinselz are adjacent villages.
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Subject: David and Philip Edelman Date: 22 Sep 97 12:09:32 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
Dear group,
A couple of tidbits in relation to Harold's request for information. This family is discussed in a book that is relatively recent, "Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Alsace" by Annette Burkert. I will get the complete reference and material contained therein and post it to the group tomorrow.
Recently, I posted a query to one of the lists I take requesting more information on David and his son Filb (Phillip) Jacob. I got several more pieces of information that suggest even more that this family moved across the Maryland border around 1750. I would like to have the time to follow up on some of these clues (deeds, etc.) before I post them.
Bill Eddleman
Dear Harold, The WHE papers do have some information on MAryland research. What are you looking for? A quick review shows a mention of a number of Edelmans ie Johann, Daniel, David, Catharina,Elisabeth and others. For instance, records for the Reformed and Lutheran Congregation at Manchester, Baltimore County, Md. (now Carroll County) lists a Anna Maria Edelman daughter of David and Catharina Edelman, babtised about 3/7/1762, sponsors Friederich Decker and Anna MAria.The records of the Lutheran Church, Frederick County, Md. lists a baptism of Elisabeth Edelman daughter of Daniel Edelmann and wife Elizabeth born 17 Nov. 1771, sponsors Jacob Schaffer and MAria Deckerin. This -in ending means young female; her name is Maria Decker. There are also mention of Revolutionary War records of MAryland, Archives of Maryland which mention a Michael Edelman. In the Baptism records of Zion Reformed Church, Hagerstown Md. reference is made to Adam Edelman and wife Eva being sponsers for Joseph, son of Peter Binckel and Elizabeth.There is mention of Phillip Edelman in 1758 in Carroll County and Phillip Adleman in the same time frame. Recall Bill Eddleman said a son of the Steinselz family may have adopted the "Adlemann" spelling. Harold Eddleman wonders if he may have adopted this spelling to avoid confusion with Philip of Steinseltz. People did that in those days. I will be glad to copy the material and send it to you. Please give me your mailing address as I may have misplaced it.
Joe Eddleman
Subject: David & Catherine Eddleman Date: 23 Sep 97 16:47:08 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
Dear cousins,
Just had a thought. Several of my ancestors left Pa. to emigrate to N. Car. in the 18th century. Oftentimes, their departure corresponded to the death of a parent of one spouse. Perhaps we should look in Baltimore Co., Md. for estate records of Philip Eddleman sometime between 1762, when a David & Catherine had a daughter baptised in Md., and 1765, when a David & Catherine appear as sponsors for a baptism in N. Car.
----Bill Eddleman
Subject: David & Filb Jacob Edelman Date: 23 Sep 97 15:19:52 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
Dear cousins,
Yesterday I threatened to post some records on David Edelman of Zweibrucken, so here goes. The following is partly from "Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America" by Annette Kunselman Burgert (1992, Picton Press, Camden, Maine). This book has 2 of my other emigrant ancestors (Eaker and Mani/Mauney) and also follows several of the other passengers on the Richard and Elizabeth, 1733. (Harold, none of these seem to connect to these Edelmans except the Bauser family, which we already knew about.) There is also a short regional history of the northern Alsace. I have supplemented with information I picked up from other sources, including a recent posting to ROOTS-L requesting information on this family in Maryland. By the way, my confidence that the Lancaster/York Co. Edelman group is the same as those from Baltimore Co., Md. increased when I noticed Jacob Shilling and Frederick Decker mentioned in connnection with both groups. If anyone wants this as an attached file, I can accomodate.
The family arrived on the ship Richard & Elizabeth, 1733. On board were David Edelman (signed with + mark), age 49; Filb (Phillip) Jacob Edelmann (signed name--looks like 2 "n"s to me), age 25; Margaretha Edelman, age 26; Anna Maria Edelman, age 54; Baltasar Edelman, age 4. (I have the complete ship's passenger list--if anyone wants, I can post later.)
EUROPEAN RECORDS: Hans David Edelmann, citizen in Rott, and wife Anna Margaretha had children:
1. Philip Jacob b. ca. 1708 2. Anna Elisabetha bp. 13 May 1713 (bp.=baptised) 3. Maria Ursela bp. 6 Sept. 1716 4. A daughter b. 9 June 1718, bp. 11 June 1718
Steinselz Reformed KB (church book): Philip Jacob Edelmann, son of David Edelmann of Rott, m. 15 Jan. 1732 Maria Margaretha Wenner, dau. of Simon Wenner of Oberhoffen.
Zweibrucken Manumissions Protocoll, Cleeburg, 1733: David and Philipp Edelmann of Steinselz move with wives and children to Pennsylvania.
AMERICAN RECORDS: First Reformed KB, Lancaster, Pa.: Jacob Edelmann and wife had a son: John David, b. 1 Dec. 1736, bp. 15 May 1737. Sponsors: David Edelmann and wife. Matthew Bauser and wife Anna Elis. nee Edelmann had: 1. Anna Margaret bp. 12 May 1739 2. David bp. 12 May 1739
Baltimore Co., Md. Deed Records, Vol. 2, 1727-1757, John Davis, p. 289, Heritage Books, Inc. 1996
6 Sep 1749, William & Rachel Murphy, planter, of Baltimore Co., MD to Philip Edleman, of Lancaster Co., MD(sic--must be a mistake on the clerk's part??) for 50 pounds, 50 acres on Georges Run. Signed WIlliam (x) Murphy, William Winchester, and Lydia (x) Winchester.
George's Run is very near Lineboro, Md. in present-day Carroll Co.
Same, Vol. 3, 1755-1767
19 Apr 1755, Jacob Shilling Sr. to Philip Eldman, for 40 pounds, 229 acres. Signed Jacob Shilling. Wit: Nicholas Tuxton Gay and John Starkey.
Colonial Maryland Naturalizations: Philip Edleman, Reformed, Baltimore Co., nat. 31 Aug. 1757
Maryland Church Records, Vol. 10, Zion Church, "The German Church", Trinity Lutheran, and Immanuel Lutheran. Zion was in the Manchester, Md. vicinity.
Daniel, son of Gottfried and Maria Elisabetha Welt(in) Laurer, living here, b. 23 Sep. 1760, bp. 2 Oct. 1760. Sponsors: Daniel Edelmann and Maria Born(in), Michell Born's still single daughter.
Anna Maria, dau. of David and Catharine Edelman, bp. 7 Mar. 1762. Sponsors: Frederich and Anna Maria Decker.
>From Vol. 3, York Co, Pa. Church Records of the 18th Century, by Marlene S. Bates and F. Edward Wright
Becker, Anna Maria, daughter of Philip Becker and Julianna bp. 7 Oct. 1759, sponsors: Friedrich Decker and Anna Maria Edelman (Jaboc Lischy's Private Register)
Edelman, Gorg Heinrich of David & Catharina, bp. 24 Mar 1761, sponsors: Gor Heinrich Conrad and Elizabeth (Jacob Lischy's Private Register).
Shilling, Julianna daughter of Jacob Shilling and Elisabeth bp. 14 Feb 1757, sponsors: David and Juliana Edelman (Jacob Lischy's Private Register). [Adam Edelman in Lancaster Co. was m. to a Juliana]
same, Vol. 2
Eva Catherine of Philipp Edelman b. 15 Nov. 1742, bp 17 Dec. 1741(??), sponsors: Barnhart Young and wife. St. Matthew's Lutheran Church.
Would appreciate if anyone can add to this or has any comments. I await more volumes in the Baltimore Co. Deed records!!!
----Bill Eddleman
Subject: RE: Eddleman Discussion List Date: 23 Sep 97 09:24:22 -0500 From: jedelmann@daynt1.daas.dla.mil To: Indbio
Harold wrote: > > I hope you will join EDDLEMAN-L, a discussion list devoted to all >variations of the Edelmann name. If you visit the URL above you will >find a link for joining EDDLEMAN-L. We have 20+ members at present. > We are still trying to learn how the Eddleman variant arose. It seems >most of these Edelmann came to America 1730-1760 from Alsace and >Odenwald and used their true name in church records but the British >civil offices gave them some form of Eddleman spelling. > I really hope you will join EDDLEMAN-L right away because some data on >Edelmann in Germany has come in and by contributing what you know of >German origins you may keep us from being too regional in our views. I >am in the process of posting about 300 names in German families of 1400 to 1800 from the William H. Eddleman collection.
Liebe Edelmaenner und Eddlemans!
(Just a little German to get things started off on the right foot)
The following is somewhat lengthly... I not sure what's expected here... so if I offend anyone with the quantity... I apologize in advance. I'm nevertheless happy to discover a group taking a very studied approach to these matters.
I have joined, I hope. Firstly, as I mentioned to Harold in my initial response, I was amazed to have been contacted by an Eddleman... I have spent my life trying to make sure the name is pronounced "correctly"; the spelling with 2 d's is certainly the anglicized version of it at its best.
BUT, given the dates of entry of your clans/lines, etc., it is quite apparent that a change would have been made by the political bodies governing the area.
Since my earliest emigrating ancestor wasn't here until atleast 1889, (In the person of Bruno Edelmann), there was little desire to change the name. I can understand the difficulty of trying to find a German connection in the absence of ship records, etc., when the emigrant lived in the mid 1700's. The David Edelmann find is indeed a prodigious accomplishment!
In any event, many of you have seen the web page at http://mozart.daas.dla.mil/genealog.html. I might mention that my father, Paul Frederick (deceased Oct 9, 1995) and I began genealogical research in 1975, as I was working on the Genealogy merit badge with the Boy Scouts.
He was instrumental in getting the ball rolling ... at that time ,all my grandparents were alive and well, so they assisted greatly.
The pronounciation of the name Edelmann is, in German, long "A"delmann, in sound, a point that my grandfather made at every opportunity. He was the only son of Bruno, the emigrant (he had 2 sisters). Bruno died at the age of 36 of stomach cancer in Circleville Oh, and his wife, Elizabeth Helfenbein, a family from Osthofen, along the Rhine (near Mainz) remarried to John Kent, in Waverly Ohio. Fortunately, adoption wasn't common, and my grandfather kept the name of his German ancestory.
Being from Bavaria, in what might be considered Middle Frankonia (the very northern part), our line of Edelmanns was and is devoutly Catholic. Thus, it was with considerable consternation that Elizabeth (a Evangaelische - Lutheran) agreed to marry my greatgrandfather, Bruno. Her father disowned her. In addition, Bruno was 11 years her senior.
In any event, Bruno left Stangenroth, a small village in an area of several small villages (including Burkadroth) about 5km from the Kreuzberg, a mountain in the Rhoen where a monument and monastery was erected when St. Kilian brought Christianity to the area about 688 or so.
There is a history written of the area, which begins with the Roman era. Fr. Anton Reinhard wrote this document. It is in German. I have a copy, should anyone be interested (and able) to study it, let me know.
I could go on, but let me suggest that I have a history written up, which I now know can be converted to HTML. I'll do that, and add it too my Web pages.
Let me add a bit of personal info to introduce myself. I'm a system consultant with Digital Equipment Corporation, on site at WPAFB in Dayton OH. My wife is Ute [Herfurth] Edelmann, formerly of Karlsruhe, Germany, and her mother, Helga Wehrle, is also from there, though she has moved to the United States permanently.
As my mother-in-law doesn't speak English very well, we speak a lot of German. My mother-in-law is also fairly adept at reading old German manuscript (such as is used in Church Records prior to 1920's). She was able to trace back one of the Seidel lines back to the late 1700's to a town along the Rhine, OberSchopfheim.
Harold, most maps of Bavaria (even atlases) should have the area around Bad Kissingen (which was a summer home of the Kaisers) in fair detail. Other villages in the area include Wollbach, Zahlbach, and Gefaell.
As I mentioned previously, I've been to the area 3 times since 1986, and just about everyone in the 3 neigbhoring villages is related at some generation back. We have cousins on every block. My relatives there call me "Johannes".
The big caveat about all this, is, however (and perhaps you all are aware as well ... if so forgive me for repeating), that while Edelmann/Eddleman may not be terribly common here in the states, it is a common german name, being formed from two german words, and being a german word itself, meaning "nobleman". However! Adelmann is actually a "more" noble form, and above that, you start seeing titles, etc. In other words, as it was explained to me, "Edelmann" is about as low in rank as one can get, and still be above the typical commoner.
Another note regarding naming, that is probably know as well (sorry!) is that it was very common for sons to be given a standard first name (Johann, e.g.) and then the given name as the second name. Thus, my great grandfather Bruno, was actually baptized Johann Bruno; many of his brothers also had Johann as the first name. It is also interesting to note that the name Michael was very common among the ancestors.
It is clear from the points of origin, that the Edelmann who emigrated from the far western parts of the country (Alsac) were Lutheran; A majority of people along the Rhine are.
Whether or not some early Edelmann left Stangenroth and moved to points west in the 1500-1600 era is anyone's guess. Unfortunately, except in the case of a very astute minister, depending on where you are, most churches didn't start keeping records of commoners until around the 1620's . Trying to find a link between the Bavarian Edelmanns and others might be totally impossible.
Nevertheless, there are certainly other Edelmanns in the United States and elsewhere who are descended from the Stangenroth clan, since there were many generations of them, and who can say who left where/when.
To thanks for the invitation to join, and I hope we can further our collective knowledge in time. Perhaps my most beneficial contribution will be in my understanding and familiarity with Germany, since my roots originate there much more recently (by nearly 150 years) than the Hans David Edelmann connection mentioned in the referenced web site. Since my mail site is at work, I typically respond to queries/comments during the day. I do not usually check my mail on the weekend.
John.
Subject: More on Philip Date: 23 Sep 97 14:03:52 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
Dear cousins,
I looked through the book, "The American Addlemans" by Robert P. Addleman last night and found more on Philip Edelman and the younger David in Maryland. As follows:
Baltimore Co. Deeds, 1761, Philip Adleman to George Moyers, Pt. Shillings Folly and Phillipsburg, 243 acres, folio 511.
Baltimore Co. Deeds Register 1659-1800, 5 May 1763, David Idleman to George Myers 140 pounds, Bridgeland--addition to Bridgeland.
[Very interesting that these 2 parcels were apparently sold to the same man. This also pushes records on this David forward in Maryland for 2 more years! It also is the first use of the letter "I" for our name that I have seen. That makes about 34 different spellings I have found in 18th century documents! I wish I had copies of the original deeds--oftentimes relationships are mentioned that don't get copied into abstracts.]
The Daniel Edelman that appears in Maryland is pretty well documented by Robert P. Addleman as having settled on the Addleman spelling after moving to Loudoun Co., VA. He died there and left an estate settlement as: Addlerman, Daniel 1792, intestate.
Harold, YOU REALLY NEED THIS BOOK. Robert has one table that lists all the Edelman/Adelman immigrants he could find from his research and from WHE. He also tries to match them up with know PA locations. WHAT ADDRESS CAN I SEND IT TOO?
Again, I'd love to hear from others on this family.
----Bill
Subject: Johann/Johannes Date: 23 Sep 97 17:49:58 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
Harold and cousins,
I may be completely wrong here, but I had always assumed Johann was used in front of another given name, while Johannes was used if the given name by which the individual is known REALLY WAS John. However, I am no expert on German given names!
----Bill
That was my first conclusion as I examined Dr Weber's Odenwald lineages, but it seems none of the Johannes survived to adulthood and wondered if Johannes was for weak childern. Basically, I am going with Bill's conclusion.
. ----Bill
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I am seaching for information regarding the HAGELBARGER family. This name was believed to have been changed to HUCKLEBERRY following immigration to America. According to, "A list of German Immigrants to the Ameridcan Colonies from Zweibruecken in the Palatinate (1750-1771), edited by Dr. Friedrich Krebs, Archvist Speyer-am-Rhein, Germany (which appears in, "Pennsylvania German Immigrants (1709-1786) - List Consolidated from Yearbooks of The Pennsylvania German Folklore Society" edited by Don Yoder - 1984), Benjamin HAGELBARGER with wife and five children of Rott (southwest of Wissembourg), left for America in 1752 with 16 other families (SPECK, DOPPERT, ZIMMERMANN, HARR, WITTERICH, DIERY, DIERY, MUELLER, RUBB, KERN, KERN, KERN, SEYLER, BARTHEL, SCHMITT and HERRMAN).
The family is believed to have been Lutheran. I am trying to ascertain date and port of departure, ship name, and date and port of arrival. Thanks in advance for any help.
Subject: Philip Eddleman/Idleman
Date: 24 Sep 97 19:21:16 -0500
From: joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net
To: Indbio
Dear members, The following information has been taken from the WHE material:
Rent Rolls Scharf Papers: Baltimore County- 25"1" Idlesburg, Surveyed for Philip Idleman the 30th of October, 1757-Beginning at two bounded red oaks standing near the head of a dry gully descending into the main falls of Patapsco River Patented 30th Oct. 1757 11/mo arrears 0:0:11
10"5" Addition to Brigland, surveyed for David Idleman the 10th March 1750 lying and being in Baltimore Cty. Beginning at the end of the south forty six degrees east seventy-six perches line of a tract of land called Brigland Patented the 10th March 1760 6/mo arrears 0:0:21/6
Baltimore County Deeds
1761 Philip Adleman to Daniel Adleman acres folio Pt. Phillipsburg & Shillings folly 150 518
" Philip Adleman to Philip Baker 178 515 New Germany
" Daniel Adleman from Philip Adleman 150 518 Pt. Phillipsburg & Shillings folly
" Philip Adleman to David Adleman 150 522 Pt. Phillipsburg & Shillings folly
" David Adleman from Philip Adleman 150 522 Pt. Phillipsburg & Shillings folly
" Philip Adleman to George Moyer 25 525 Idlesburg
" Philip Adleman from Jacob Shillings Shillings Lot 40 435 Cole Pitt 27 437
1762 David Adleman to Peter Fouble Colchester 33 Coal Pet 77 207 Shillings Lot 44
Hope this helps someone
Joe Eddleman
Looks like our ancestors were big time realtors selling developments named Phillipsburg, Shillings Folly, and Idlesburg. Or am I reading these wrong. --Harold Eddleman
Subject: Hanss David Edelmann zu Rott 1733
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:39 -0700
From: "Harold Eddleman, Ph.D." <indbio@disknet.com> Organization:
Indiana Biolab
To: trendel@monza.u-strasbg.fr
Click here to see the answer
My ancestor Hanss David Edelmann left Rott, Alsace, in 1733 and arrived
in Philadelphia 1733 Sep 28 on the ship Richard and Elizabeth. For
information about this family in America see http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg907.htm
I am seeking information on his parents. I am also interested in the farming
and other conditions of life in Rott and Steinseltz in 1733. I have been
told many people of 1733 in Rott might have come from France or Switzerland.
Does his name of Edelmann indicate where I should look for his parents?
In America, he attended Protestant churches. He was age 49 according to
the ship list which gives a calculated birthdate of 1684. I want to add
a page of details about Rott in 1733 and before. I can read some French
and German.
-- Harold Eddleman, Ph.D.
mailto:indbio@disknet.com ....... http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab
EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY.
THE GERMAN IMMIGRATION INTO PENNSYLVANIA THROUGH THE PORT OF PHILADELPHIA FROM 1700 TO 1775, AND THE REDEMPTIONERS. Frank R. Diffenderffer. This important historical study deals with the background of German immigration, especially that of the Palatines, the causes, migration patterns, the leading figures in the movement, and the disposition of the immigrants. Much of the book deals with the redemptioners, those who bound themselves to service as payment for the trip to America. It covers the types of bond servants and evaluates their role in the development of the German settlements, with accounts of their rise, progress, and place in American Society. 328 pp., illus., indexed. (From the Pa.-Germ. Soc. Proc. & Addr., 1900), repr. Balto. 1988. [GP1470] $21.50
Does anyone have this book. If not, I may buy it. Harold Eddleman
Subject: Philip Edleman Date: 27 Sep 97 00:30:48 -0500
From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com
To: Indbio
I came across this reference in a book and wish to share with the list
Baltimore County, Maryland Deed Records, Vol. Two, 1727-1757 by John Davis pub. by Heritage Books
p. 289
6 Sep. 1749, William and Rachel Murphy, planter, of Baltimore Co., Maryland to Philip Edleman, of Lancaster Co., Maryland L50, 50 acres... Georges Run. Signed William Murphy, William Winchester, Lydia Winchester.
Message had no identification; who sent it??? says Lancaster MD as in the record above.
The Thirty Years War (1618-1648).
Notes I found on the Internet. Began as German civil war between Protestants
and Catholics. When it appeared the Catholics might win, Danes, then Swedes,
then French came into the war and fought against the Habsburgs. The power
of the Holy Roman Empire was reduced to a shadow. Germany was ruined and
half the people died in the struggle. Local soverigns were able to determine
their own religion but not individuals. Princes united to drive the swedes
out. France became the dominant power in Europe. Many modern warfare methods
were developed: gunpowder, marching, uniforms, bayonet. Many aspects of
modern Europe grew out of the ruins of the war. I believe some Germans
fled to Britain and were later enticed to migrate to the American Colonies--I
am not sure about that.
by Harold Eddleman
Subject: Alsace Eddleman Clan
Date: 28 Sep 97 23:37:02 -0500
From: joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net
To: Indbio
Dear Harold, Do you have the following information taken from St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, Hanover, York County, Pa.or have I already given it to you.
Catrina, dau. of Philip Edelman, b. Nov. 15, 1741, bapt. Dec.16, 1741 Sponser: Berhnhart Houx and wife.
Elias, son of (David?) Edelman, b. July 3, 1743, bapt. MArch 4, 1744 Sponser" Stoffel Schlegel, wife Anna Maria
Joe Eddleman
Canton de Wissembourg (13 communes) Cleebourg Climbach Lembach Niedersteinbach Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg Obersteinbach Riedseltz Rott Schleithal Seebach Steinseltz Wingen Wissembourg
Above is present day communities in the Canton of Wissembourg, Alsace