660 - This page
661 - Facts about Peter of Airlenbach/Surry NC - compiled by Bill Eddleman
& Jim Groce, etal
662 - Biography of Peter of Airlenbach based on the above citations
6xx - Biographies and facts about descendants of the above Peter.
6yy - Adam of Airlenbach (brother of Peter) ==> married Juliane Thorwarth 1757 in PA
6zzz - Michael of Airlenbach (brother of Peter) (1754?) ==> not yet found in America???
At this point their are 5 generations which I am omitting because Weber had some problems working out names of individuals. For the details see page eg540. We will try to write something here later especially if Jim Groce has any clarifications.
Lorenz Edelmann was born 1693 Jan 21 by Weber's calculations and he died 1732 Mar 7 in Airlenbach. We do not know the name of Lorenz's wife. They had 5 childern that we know of. Perhaps only 4 childern survived and three of these emigrated to Pennsylvania. One surviving child died in Hainbrunn, germany, at age 55.
After Lorenz's death, his wife, mother of all the childern below, remarried on 1732 Oct 23 to Johannes Schäffer of Güttersbach. We do not know anymore about her. At the time of their father's death the childern's ages were Peter, 11; Margret, 9 (if still alive); Adam, 8; Georg, 3; and Michael, 1.
(A.) VIIIa Hanss Peter Edelmann born 1721 Sep 7 in Airlenbach married Catharina Joh daughter of Georg J., Centschöffe (a type of judge) of Gammelsbach on 1949 Apr 22 in Beerfelden. She died 10 months later on 1750 Feb 17 in Gammelsbach.
Harold, (This is a note Bill of SEMO sent earlier---edit and discard after noting the perer st->jacob--> lost note)
This IS the Surry Co. Peter, identified by his wife's name. Some of the his daughters have recorded births in Pa., and his son Peter listed a birth date in Pa. in a Rev. War pension application. I could take this family from here because it is relatively well-documented (except some children of Peter Sr.'s son Jacob).
----Bill
Hanss Peter Edelmann remarried in Beerfelden on 1752 April 27 to Anna Margretha Schäfer, the daughter of the late Johannes Schäfer of Ober-Sensbach. Her brother was Adam Schäfer of Ober-Sensbach. Adam Schäfer immigrated to America on the same ship with Peter Edelmann and Margretha. Later in America Peter ran a newspaper ad trying to locate Adam Schäfer. A tabulation of the known events in the life of "John" Peter Edelmann of Airlenbach and North Carolina is located on page eg661. Page 661 was compiled by William Rodney Eddleman, James Groce, and others.
James
Groce has provided parents and grandparents of Miss Anna Margretha fsSchäfer
Brother-in-law of Hans Peter Edelman is Adam Schäfer, born in
Ober-Sensbach, brother of Anna Margaretha Schäfer
Check shiplists; perhaps this Adam Schäfer came to America
This is the Peter Eddleman of Surrey County NC Family and we will have
pages(s) about them by Bill Eddleman (weddlema@biology.semo.edu)
(A.) VIIIb Anna Margretha E., *A.24.8.1723. We do not know if this child reached adulthood.
(A.) VIIIc Johann Adam E., *A.6.11.1724; + U.S.A
Emigrated to America
oo Lancaster 8.9.1757 mit Juliane Thorwarth
+ Lancaster 22.9.1781 (angeblich, *1729); hinterliess 4 kinder; darunter
eines + 9.8.1759
died Lancaster, PA, 1757 Sep 8 (supposedly born 1729) had four childern,
possibly surviving, one child died 1759 Aug 22.
(A.) VIIId Georg Adam E., *A.12.3.1729; + Hainbrun 27.2.1784
Der Vermerk "+ Hainbrunn" findet sich im K.B. von Beerfelden
The note "died in Hainbrunn" is found in
the Beerfelden church records
(A.) VIIIe Joh. Michael E., *A.24.9.1731; Emigrated
to America??
Wahrscheinlich ausgewandert 1754 nahc (sic) Nord-Amerika
probably emigrated in 1754 to North America
Subject: [EDDLEMAN-L] Reuben Eddleman Date: 14 Feb 99 16:41:14 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio
While going over my notes about Johann Hanss Peter Edelmann (1721-1789) who m1: Catherina Joh and m2: Anna Margaretha Schaefer, I see son Reuben Eddleman, but I have no further info about him. Does anyone know anything else about this Reuben?
David E. Oberlin, OH
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I know of no evidence this Peter had a son Reuben. The only (and first) Reuben I know about was from the line of David and Elizabeth (Adams) Eddleman of Lincoln Co., NC. Someone at some point in the past must have gotten their wires crossed (easy to do with all the Peter Eddlemans in NC!).
----Bill
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All information about the Lorenz Edelaman family will be accumulated below this line for use in rewriting the story above this line. However, information about Lorenz's son Peter is placed on page eg661. Information about his sons Adam and Michael is being placed below this line also.
--------More on a Peter Eddleman....did I get this from Eddleman@icsi.net, is his name James A. Eddleman, Jr.
Peter & Margret (Sharer) Eddleman came from Germany in 1762. They had 5 sons and settled in NC: Reuben, Jacob, John, Robert, Peter Jr.
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l Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 8:14pm Electronic Mail From: INT:joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net Msg#: 338711 William eddleman did quite a bit of research in Germany before he died but was never able to tie down the birth place of my Peter.He did locate records for another Peter Edelman in the marriage register of Ober-Sensbach, year 1717 page 145 " 1715, January 7, in the house of....? there was married by the priest after the usual public notice Hans Peter Edelmann, son of the late Hans Nicolaus Edelmann, inhabitant of Huettelthal with maid Eva Catherinea....?, legitimate daughter of the late Adam Schaeffler, inhabitant and miller of Ober-Sensbach. In documents there are mentioned the children of the above mentioned married couple: 1716, July 17, Tuesday night about 8 o'clock there was born to Hans Peter Edelmann, here by Eva Catharina, his wife, a little boy, who was baptised on the following day. 1717, Febr, 25, in the morning around 4 o'clock there was born a Rose Baerbel 1722, July 24, in the evening at 7 o'clock there was born a Hans Pete According to these documents according to a German researcher Dr. H.F. Weber from Darmstadt for William Eddleman "the family Hans Peter Edelmann must have lived without any doubt in Ober Sensbach. The head of the family should be identical with the Peter we are looking for. According to the marriage register from 1715, this Peter Edelmann will probably have come from Huettenthal and married into Ober-Sensbach. There are no more documents found, especially about the emigration of the family of Peter Edelmann from Ober-Sensbach to America" This resaercher found mention of other Eddlemans 1. in Finkenbach near Rothenberg a certain Velten Edelman (1557) 2. In Schneppenhausen near Darmstadt: Adam, Peter and Wendel Edelman (1622) Michael Edelman (1588 and 1640) 3. In Graefenhausen near Darmstadt-Anna Maria Edelman daughter of Velten Edelman (1640) In 1958 Dr. Weber suggested that they look for my Peter Edelamn arounf Beerfelden. As I may have mentioned, I have a good bit of German research information but much is disjointed, some has not been translated and all of it is difficult to understand. Joe Eddleman
only the portion related to Lorenz Eddleman
(F.) Ia Veltin Edelmann zu Finkenbach ( -F.) Veltin (Valentine)Edelmann of Finkenbach (Finkenbach family line)
*um 1525; lebt 1550 1); Besitzer der Eberts-Hube 2) (see Hube); Sohn: see II
born about 1525; alive 1550 (1); owner of Eberts-Hube (2); for son see II
(F.) Ib ?Barthel Edelmann zu Falken-Gesäss, Beruf: Walkner (Tuchmacher) Occupation: weaver
*um 1530; Bruder von (F.) Ia? lebt 1575 3)
born about 1530; may be a brother of Ia (above) living 1575 (see footnote #3
(F.) II Hans Edelmann, genammt 1575 als Besitzer der Eberts-Hube 2)
*um 1545; Söhne: sehe IIIa und IIIb for his sons see IIIa and IIIb
(F.) IIIa Hans Edelmann zu F. 4); *um 1565; oo um 1590; Sohn: sehe IVa married about 1590; see IVa for his son
(F.) IIIb _______________; *um 1570; oo um 1600; Sohn: sehe (F.) IVa1 married about 1600
(F.) IVa Adam Edelmann 5); *um 1590; oo um 3) 6.21617 mit Cathatina Krieg, T.d. Segastian Krieg zu Falken-Gesäss;
Sohn; sehe Va 2) 6); seit etwa 1650-1700 auf der bereits 1460 genannten "Veith-Hube* in Finkenbach 6)
John put translation here of seit etwa 1650-1700 auf der bereits 1460 genannten "Veith-Hube* in Finkenbach
(F.) IVa1 Adam Edelmann, der Alte (Sr.); *1606 err,(calc'd); oo etwa 1635; + F.27.1.1681 (75 J. age);
Kinder childern: son sehe (F.) Va-1 - Vc-1 2)
(F.) Va ? Peter Edelmann genannt nach 1659 als Besitzer d. Steinerts-Hube 7)
(F.) Va-1 Adam Edelmann, der Junge (Jr.), , verzieht nach Airlenbach (-A.) Moved to Airlenbach
* 1606 err.; + A.27.2.1709 (72 J)
oo 8) (eheberedung) married 8.10.1661 mit Margreta Schäffer,
(*1637 err.; + A.215.1694, 57 J. alt, We.d.Hans Sch. zu A.
Kinder: sehe (A.) VIa - VIg not sure I understand all this esp. Va 1 widow of Hans Schaeffer of Airlenbach
Weber has used the same numbers twice (perhaps)needs work
(F.) Vb-1 ?Hans Peter E., *um 1640; genannt 1690 als letzter Besitzer der Olfners-Hube 2)
listed in 1690 as the last holder of Olfners-Hube
(F.) Vc-1 Barthel E., * 1641 err.; + Ober-F.9.4.1693 (52 J.)
oo um 1678 mit Christina ___; Kinder sehe VI-a - VI-e Weber has used the same numbers twice needs work
Kinder von Adam Edelmann - (F.) Va 1
*zu Airlenbach childern (below are) born in Airlenbach; notice Adam of Finkenbach has moved to Airlenbach to rear his kids thus starting the Airlenbach branch of the family.
(A.) VIa Eva E., *1664; +A.4.9.1705 (41 J.4 M.3W.) - rote Ruhr (red Ruhr caused death)
oo Beerfelden ( - B,\.* 29.1.1695 mit Leonhard Reippold, S.d.+ Gerichtsverw. Peter R. zu B.
(A.) VIb Margretha E., etwa 1665/66; + Keilbach 3.2.1690 (24 J.)
oo Keilbach 6.5.1684 mit Adam Keyser, S.d.Hans Keyser
(A.) VIc Hans Adam E., *etwa about 1669; war lt. Gemeindezählung v. 1678 9 Jahr alt. später nicht mehr im K.B. von B.
He was lt Gemeindezählung v. 1678, age 9, but never appears again in the church records of Beerfelden
(A.) VId Hans Jacob E., *etwa 1670; 1678 8 Jahr alt.
(A.) VIe Anna Barbara E. ~16.9.1677; lebt noch 1705
oo Falken-Gesäss s.8.1698 mit Hans Jacob Fischer, S.d.Conrad Fischer zu Fs. Prob meant Falken-Gesäss
(A.) VIf Anna Edelmann, ~12.4.1680, lebt noch 1705;
oo A.1.2.1702 mit Hans Georg Hess, S.d. Adam H. zu A Son of Adam Hess of Airlenbach
(A.) VIg Hans Peter E., ~13.4.1684; Konfirmiert zu confirmed in B.19.6.1698, lebt noch 1705
Sohn von (A.)VIc oder (A.) VId: Son of __ or __
(A.) VII Lorenz E., *A.21,1.1693 err.; + A.7.3.1732
oo B, etwa 1720 mit ___
oo sie II 23.10.1732 mit Johannes Schäffer zu Güttersbach
Lorenz's widow remarried 1732 Oct 23 to Johannes Schäffer of Güttersbach
Kinder von Lorenz E. - (A.) VII: childern of Lorenz of Airlenbach
(A.) VIIIa Hanss Peter E., *A.7.9.1721; + U.S.A. Emigrated to America
oo I B.22.4.1749 mit Catharina Joh., *1725; + Gammelsbach 17.2.1750, T.d.+ Georg J., Centschöffe zu G. dau of Georg Johann Centsjudge of Gammelsbach
oo II B.27.4.1752 mit Anna Margretha Schäfer, T.d.+ Johannes Schäfer of Ober-Sensbach dau of the late Joh Schäfer of Ober-Sensbach
Schwager v. Hans Peter ist Adam Schäfer (* Ober-Sensbach, Bruder der Anna Margretha Schäfer)
James Groce has provided parents and grandparents of Miss Schäfer
Brother-in-law of Hans Peter Edelman is Adam Schäfer, born in Ober-Sensbach, brother of Anna Margaretha Schäfer
Check shiplists; perhaps this Adam Schäfer came to America
This is the Peter Eddleman of Surrey County NC Family and we will have pages(s) about them by Bill Eddleman (weddlema@biology.semo.edu)
(A.) VIIIb Anna Margretha E., *A.24.8.1723
(A.) VIIIc Johann Adam E., *A.6.11.1724; + U.S.A Emigrated to America
oo Lancaster 8.9.1757 mit Juliane Thorwarth
+ Lancaster 22.9.1781 (angeblich, *1729); hinterliess 4 kinder; darunter eines + 9.8.1759
died Lancaster, PA, 1757 Sep 8 (supposedly born 1729) had four childern, possibly surviving, one child died 1759 Aug 22.
John you have already given a translation, but here it is in context
(A.) VIIId Georg Adam E., *A.12.3.1729; + Hainbrun 27.2.1784
Der Vermerk "+ Hainbrunn" findet sich im K.B. von Beerfelden
The note "died in Hainbrunn" is found in the Beerfelden church records
(A.) VIIIe Joh. Michael E., *A.24.9.1731; Emigrated to America??
Wahrscheinlich ausgewandert 1754 nahc (sic) Nord-Amerika
probably emigrated in 1754 to North America
Subject:
Barbara Edelmann,wife of Theobald Gross
Date:
25 Oct 97 18:33:30 -0500
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Dear Bill,Harold and EDDLEMAN-L:
Here is the data for the children of Barbara Edelmann,wife of Theobald
Gross,daughter of Johann Peter Edelmann and Anna Margaretha
Schafer(Schaefer). She is identified at Surry County, North Carolina in
the 7 Jan 1789 will of <bold>Peter Edelman</bold> with identification of
his wife as <bold>Margaret</bold>.
Margaret,it is noted, dissented from the will on 11 Aug 1789. Barbara is
identified as Barbara Grose.
Moravian Archives at Winston-Salem,Carolina provide strong evidence to
link Barbara Gross,nee Edelmann,to Johann Peter Edelmann and Anna
Margaretha Schaefer.
I have numerous Gross entries but will only cite the children of Barbara
here.
Wachovia Church Book:
Catherine Gross,b. February 13,1794. Parents Dewald and Barbara Gross;
Anna Margaretha Gross,b. November 27,1785. Parents Dewalt and Barbara
Gross. Sponsors Peter and Margaret Ettlemann;
Christina Gross,b.June 9,1794. Parents Theowald Gross and Barbara m.n.
Edlemann;
Jacob Gross,b.January 12,1797. Parents Dewald and Barbara m.n. Edlemann
Gross. Sponsors are Heinrich Schor and Catharina m.n. Wagner.
Bethabara Book:
Johannes Gross,b.February 5,1776. Parents Ewald and Barbara Gross.
Sponsors Simon and ____ Gross.
David Gross,b.1781(bpt. April 7,1782). Parents Dewald and Barbara Gross.
Sponsors the parents;
Simon Gross,b.May 7,1783. Parents Dewald and Barbara Gross. Sponsors the
parents.
<bold>Notes</bold>: The above entries with obvious misspellings and some
phonetic spellings are exactly as provided by the Moravia Archives.
Theowald Gross and Barbara m.n. Edlemann are,also,recorded in the
Wachovia Book as sponsors for Christina Gross,b. February 13,1794;parents
Simon Gross and Maria Magdalena Schirmer. Following my correspondence
with the Yadkin County Public Library, I learned of a short historical
piece <bold>Anna Margaretha Groce Shore</bold> by Alice Brumfield. My
thoughts are her name was Gross Schur. Anna Margaretha Groce Shore's name
is entered in the John Shore Bible;she married John Shore, son of
Frederich Shore,Jr. and Barbara Reis,on November 12,1804. Anna Margaretha
Gross Shore did not go to Kentucky as did her parents Theobald and
Barbara Gross,m.n. Edelmann. Anna Margaretha Gross Shore,who was probably
named for her grandmother Schaefer,has a will recorded at Yadkin County,
North Carolina on 27 February 1867. Most of these families lived in the
area of Deep Creek,several miles southeast of current day
Yadkinville,North Carolina. My belief is that the Eddelman, Gross, and
other related families began their movement towards Kentucky around
1800;filed claims there,improved their claims,while maintaining farms and
families in North Carolina. Will follow this with some North Carolina
Edelmann information because I am sure it is all not contained in the
Edelmann Collection from the Pennsylvania Historical Society.
Regarding the question of Johann Peter Edelmann vs Hans Peter Edelmann; I
can offer this explanation. Hanns and Hans are a form of the name Johann
and Johannes. I have two separate church documents from Beerfelden that
identify him as Johann Peter Edelmann. Using Ernest Thode's German
English Dictionary; I hold to the belief that his name was Johann Peter
and was probably known as Peter as he is shown numerous times in the
above baptismal records. Note the variations in Theobald! Das beste
kommt noch. Jim Groce
ubject: Barbara Edelmann,wife of Theobald Gross Date: 26 Oct 97 16:25:52 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio Noted an error in the children of Barbara Eddlemann and Theobald Gross. Catherine or Catherina Gross date of birth should be December 29,1773 not February 13,1794. My eyes were tiny red slits when I entered this data. Catherina's entry is found on pg 162 of the Wachovia Book. Think I have the birth date and birthplace for Peter Jr.,son of Edelmann and Schaeffer. Will send it next time. Also, have IGI for Edelmann in PA and NC. Anybody interested? ==== EDDLEMAN Mailing List ==== Have you visited the Eddleman Genealogy Library lately? http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg.htm