Tentative planning:
611 - Alexander and Ann 1730
612 - Richard and Elizabeth 1733 Hanss David Edelman and Family
613 - Albany 1749
614 - Brothers (1750)
615 - Priscilla
616 - Phoenix
617 - Neptune 1754 Sep 30
618 - Mary and Sarah or William and Sarah 1754 Oct 26; Peter E. Adam Schaefer,
619 -
The goal of these pages is to use shiplists:
While this page shows only Edelmann families, there is a subpage for each ship and those pages contain information about other surname families on the same ship. If your family came to America on one of these ships please write me.
This chart may need a different design as this project develops. Please suggest changes in EDDLEMAN-L. For example, an extra column, for listing each immigrant, might aid accounting for individuals who did not have produce surviving offspring. When this table reaches stable form, I plan to add links to other pages to help readers understand lineages and go to them easily. See symbols index below the table.
In this early stage of development, I may use a different format for some ships to discover the arrangement most useful for this web page. All these ships arrived at Philadelphia. Did any Eddleman arrive via Boston, New York, Baltimore, or southern ports? Europeans usually had to pay a fee to be released by their lord to travel to another state (manunission sp); such records and church records may show a person was going to America. Some disappeared without paying or tried to convince the lord they were a burden on his lordship and he would benefit getting rid of them without payment of mamusion--sion fee.
Origin of the Eddleman Clans of America ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | European Family | Ship List | Edelmann -------> American Clans --------------------------------------------------------------------
1 ? Alexander and Ann Peter Edelmann Ancestor of Joseph Kenworthy Eddleman, Charleston, SC
1730 Sep 3 ......
Philadelphia .....................
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2 Hanss David Edelmann Richard and Elizabeth David E. and wife Anna Maria left these records in America ==> none?
Citizen of Rott, Alsace 1733 Sep 28 Filb Jakob E. & wife Margaretha ==> ?Daniel Addleman; changed surname; died Loudoun County,VA had sons: 3?
! Philadelphia! Anna Maria E. & husband ___ Bousser ==> (no family found),
Notes: Baltazar E. (4) sick ==> no record in America; ___ Boweser ==> no record in America Philadelphia and Husband ..... and son Baltazer "
Main facts: David Edelmann (49) and wife Anna Maria (54) were too old to produce childern in America; We have not found any record of them in America
Their son Filb (Phillip) arrived with sick son Baltazar, but we hear no more about him; Maybe had David, Daniel, others?
Their dau Anna Maria Edelmann came to America with husband (Bousser, Bowser,....,....,) and his ____ _____ Bowser
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3 Albany Weber had doubts; therefore will take
1749 Sep 2 take time to decide Dr Leo Eddleman, President of several Baptist colleges
Dr Henry Leo Eddleman wrote that this Peter Eddleman, Sr. came from County of Erbach, Germany
owned land in Bucks County PA (now Lehigh); moved to Rowan County across from Organ Church
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4 ? (F.1) VIIIe Brothers ?
John Adam Edelmann 1750 Aug 24 ?
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5 Wilhelm Edelman Priscilla ?
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Perhaps this is a better format for this list.
SHIP EUROPEAN ANCESTER PERSON ON SHIP (see Weber lists, etc. ==> American Records, lineages, etc. LINEAGE OF AMERICAN DESCENDANTS AMERICAN CLAN
6 Brothers (A.)FII -> (A.) VIIx Lorenz Edelmann --->(A.) Hans Peter VIIIa & Wife Margareta Schäfer xxxy --> xxx --> zxt use links
1752 Sep 22 \ " `-->(A.) VIIIc Hans? Adam E. (single)
" \--------> see xxxx Came on a different ship in 17xx
Philadelphia (A.)FI\I -> (G.) VIx Hans Barthel ------>(G.) VIIe Joh. Justus E.
" \----->(G.) VIIh Joh. Georg ?Capt Rev War no male childern
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7 Phoenix Hans Michael Addleman (not an Edelmann not in this site)
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8 Neptune Joh. Adam ? (R.) vIIIc?
1754 Sep 30
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9 Mary and Sarah
1754 Oct 26
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10 Stangenroth Ship not known Bruno Edelmann
John Edelman will supply date and etc.
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X Records in Europe said these individuals were going to America, but we have not found them in America:
____ _____ paid manmisis at Zweirbtbruek
____
? = Uncertain or unknown
?? = Probably wrong
! = very certain
Notes on individuals or cell:
Notes are keyed by cell number which run by rows 0,1,2, ... and colums
A,B,C,D. Thus Note number 2Db refers to row 2, rightmost cell in that row
and the second entry in that cell. I may need to introduce another column
so col 4 = immigrant; col 5 = designation of clan; This would aid accounting
for immigrant who apparently produced no surviving line. This merely a
first attempt.
Data below this line will be discarded.
Suggestions, corrections, and comments are appreciated: Contact Harold Eddleman indbio@disknet.com
Another source I have on this family is Robert Addleman's book on the Addleman family. All the Addlemans in the U.S. apparently descend from Hans Michael Addleman or Daniel Addleman. It appears Daniel originally spelled his name Edelman and some evidence suggests he may be from the Phillip line (possibly a son). This family (Daniel) later moved to Virginia.
. ----Bill
Subject: Hanss David Edelmann zu Rott 1733
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:39 -0700
From: "Harold Eddleman, Ph.D." <indbio@disknet.com> Organization:
Indiana Biolab
To: trendel@monza.u-strasbg.fr
Click here to see the answer
My ancestor Hanss David Edelmann left Rott, Alsace, in 1733 and arrived
in Philadelphia 1733 Sep 28 on the ship Richard and Elizabeth. For
information about this family in America see http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg907.htm
I am seeking information on his parents. I am also interested in the farming
and other conditions of life in Rott and Steinseltz in 1733. I have been
told many people of 1733 in Rott might have come from France or Switzerland.
Does his name of Edelmann indicate where I should look for his parents?
In America, he attended Protestant churches. He was age 49 according to
the ship list which gives a calculated birthdate of 1684. I want to add
a page of details about Rott in 1733 and before. I can read some French
and German.
-- Harold Eddleman, Ph.D.
mailto:indbio@disknet.com ....... http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab
EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY.
eg903 Where Eddleman folks came from (sarenson@sprintmail.com, 05/28/99 18:36) To: Indbio
Harold:
I was really taken back this evening when I stumbled across your excellent website on the Eddleman family of Airlenbach.
I believe that my ancestor, a Jacob Helm who died c1780 in Botetourt County VA is somehow tied to your family through the Schaeffer line. I've been virtually stuck on my Jacob for more years than I care to remember. I feel about 90% certain that my Jacob was one of the two Jacob Helm's who immigrated to America on the Ship William & Sarah which arrived in Philadelphia 10/26/1754. On this same ship was a Peter Edelman and also an Adam Schaefer and his wife Rosina Barbara Helm. I have ascertained that this is the Adam Schaefer s/o Johannes Schaefer who is mentioned here on your website. This is the Adam that Peter Edelman was trying to find via a newspaper ad.
I feel very strongly that Adam Schaefer's wife, Rosina Barbara Helm, was related to my Jacob. Her father was a Jacob Helm of Lindach Germany....I have seen this town identified as Lindach, Mosbach; Lindach Mittlefranken, Bayern and Lindach Eberbach Germany. However, she married Adam Schaefer in 1753 in Obersensbach. There are slews of Helms in the Obersensbach/Airlenbach area, and it appears she has ties to that bunch. I think there's a good chance that my Jacob was Rosina's brother. If not, I'm certain he was related to her in some manner...maybe cousin etc.
Adam Schaefer definitely DID emigrate to America, and he and Rosina Helm had a son named Henry (John Heinrich) who was born Jan-13-1765 in Berks County PA. I have determined that my Jacob was living in Berks about the same time. He later migrated south to Virginia about 1770. Jacob died C1780 in Botetourt County VA where he was killed by a falling tree. His widow, Mary Ann Helm, promptly moved to Rowan County NC with her son John. Around 1790, they moved to Lincoln County NC.
Do you have any information whatsoever that might be of help to me? I would greatly appreciate any info that you might have and will gladly share anything I have to help the cause.
Thanks in advance.
Sid Arenson 7948 W. 115th Place Overland Park, KS 66210 (913) 451-7744 email: sarenson@sprintmail.com
EDDLEMAN-L] Jacob Helm/Edelman/Schaeffer (indbio@disknet.com, 05/28/99 20:43) To: Indbio
Dear Sid cc: EDDLEMAN-L and a couple folks who may be interested.
This has been a good day for Edelmann mail. Yours is the third letter today. Have you seen page eg927, where we try to learn about each passenger on the 1733 Richard and ___. I plan to get a similar page going for the 1754 ship. page eg927.htm has been very productive I get 2 or 3 replies each year. I need to look at my pages and refresh my memory before answering more. Bill Eddleman of Missouri and James Groce of US Army Germany are our experts on the on the Lincoln County of NC families. Both will get a copy of this.
Sid's letter to Harold Eddleman
eg903 Where Eddleman folks came from (sarenson@sprintmail.com, 05/28/99 18:36) To: Indbio
Harold:
I was really taken back this evening when I stumbled across your excellent website on the Eddleman family of Airlenbach.
I believe that my ancestor, a Jacob Helm who died c1780 in Botetourt County VA is somehow tied to your family through the Schaeffer line. I've been virtually stuck on my Jacob for more years than I care to remember. I feel about 90% certain that my Jacob was one of the two Jacob Helm's who immigrated to America on the Ship William & Sarah which arrived in Philadelphia 10/26/1754. On this same ship was a Peter Edelman and also an Adam Schaefer and his wife Rosina Barbara Helm. I have ascertained that this is the Adam Schaefer s/o Johannes Schaefer who is mentioned here on your website. This is the Adam that Peter Edelman was trying to find via a newspaper ad.
I feel very strongly that Adam Schaefer's wife, Rosina Barbara Helm, was related to my Jacob. Her father was a Jacob Helm of Lindach Germany....I have seen this town identified as Lindach, Mosbach; Lindach Mittlefranken, Bayern and Lindach Eberbach Germany. However, she married Adam Schaefer in 1753 in Obersensbach. There are slews of Helms in the Obersensbach/Airlenbach area, and it appears she has ties to that bunch. I think there's a good chance that my Jacob was Rosina's brother. If not, I'm certain he was related to her in some manner...maybe cousin etc.
Adam Schaefer definitely DID emigrate to America, and he and Rosina Helm had a son named Henry (John Heinrich) who was born Jan-13-1765 in Berks County PA. I have determined that my Jacob was living in Berks about the same time. He later migrated south to Virginia about 1770. Jacob died C1780 in Botetourt County VA where he was killed by a falling tree. His widow, Mary Ann Helm, promptly moved to Rowan County NC with her son John. Around 1790, they moved to Lincoln County NC.
Do you have any information whatsoever that might be of help to me? I would greatly appreciate any info that you might have and will gladly share anything I have to help the cause.
Thanks in advance.
Sid Arenson 7948 W. 115th Place Overland Park, KS 66210 (913) 451-7744 email: sarenson@sprintmail.com -- Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. mailto:indbio@disknet.com Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg927.htm
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Re: Re: Trautmann Family origins (troutmaneg@pol.net, 05/30/99 17:13) To: Indbio
------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Harold Eddleman Ph.D" <indbio@disknet.com> Subject: Re: Trautmann Family origins Date: 05/19/1999 00:18am
troutmaneg@pol.net wrote: > > indbio@disknet.com I would like tp know if you have come across any > Trautmann information? They have a parallel history to the Eddlemanns. > Thanks..
I do not recall having anything on Trautmann, but this letter is not the first time I have seen the name. Where have you seen parallels to Edelmann? on shiplists? I am starting a page on each voyage that carried Edelmann to America. The one I began last year on for 1733 has gotten several replies. see the URL below
Thanks for your reply. Trautmann is an old "German" name. Pre-Revolutionary Trautmann immigrants came from Zweibrucken, the Odenwald and Heidelberg area. All settled in what we now call Pa Dutch country. I have papers from 1780-1830's I would like translated. Any ideas? Regards. PS My Chenoweth/Seaton ancestors were early settlers in Louisville/Jefferson Co, Ky. No connection to Troutman until my parents married. Do you have roots in Jefferson Co?
-- Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. mailto:indbio@disknet.com Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg927.htm
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Re: Richard and Elizabeth 1733. (dh427@alaska.net, 05/31/99 03:56) To: Indbio
Dear Dr. Eddleman I am the 5th g.grandson of Jacob and Catherina Hermann, passengers on the Richard and Elizabeth. I knew they arrived on the ship but your website is the first reference I have made to a passenger manifest. Thank you for your work. I am descended from their infant son, Hans Peter. I too am tracing family roots to Germany. Geneological records show Jacob Hermann¹s origin as Kunsel. I have deduced Kunsel to be Kunzelsau, Germany, yet found no reference on manifest as to German town of origin. I was only referred to your workshop site tonight and must study the information more thoroughly. Again, thanks for everything. Sincerely, John Harmon
e: Re: Trautmann Family origins (troutmaneg@pol.net, 05/31/99 10:05) To: Indbio
indbio@disknet.com Thanks for your reply. Give me a mailing address and I will send some copies for you to digest. My ancestors in Jefferson County were Rachel Chenoweth and Kenner Seaton. Rachel was a sister to Richard Chenoweth, a founder of Corn Island/Bear Creek/Louisville, and she was involved in the Chenoweth Massacre. Rachel and Kenner are buried in the Chenoweth Cemetery on/near Floyd's Fork where Seatonville is/was, now (or last I knew) the Seatonville Horse Farm. I would like to know more about your Seaton friend. Regards.
Re: David Edelmann from Baden (1837) (Jacsanede@aol.com, 05/31/99 11:57) To: Indbio
Thanks for replying. I do not have a web page. Please use any data as you wish. Katherina Hill did come from Baden. I inquired of Wolfgang Muller, Insterburger Str. 14 f, D-76139 Karrlsruhe, Baden, Germany--- as to whether he could find any record of David and Katherina. He found 41 people named Hill who hed emigrated from Baden to the USA between 1847 and 1884. They all came from Weingarten. Unfortunately, all dates were later than the Hill that I am researching. John Edelman Email jacsanede@aol.com