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Subject: What format do you want for the German Edelmann lineages in EGL

These introductory comments will be placed on pages eg500 to 504 of my site. Those pages will include a tutorial on reading Old German Penmanship (via links to other sites), tutorial on reading early american records (via links), German given names (notice all the boys are named Johann and all the girls are named Anna in some families), German for genealogists (leaning a dozen words will enable you to make some progress). Eventually pages 500-504 will also include information on wars and history from ancient to 1850 to give aid to those searching for their roots. This will include links to old maps. Page 505 will introduce Dr. Weber's work for William H. Eddleman. The Edleman lineages in Germany will begin with this page. About 40% of the first draft of Weber's first lineage is given below. Please look it over and write me your suggestions for easier understanding. After we have decided upon a format, I will type in more pages.

Comments by Harold Eddleman, Editor

My translations and comments are in blue except for single words where I have typed "before" in place of vor and "~" for um (meaning approximately). For technical accuracy and to retain the original style I have transferred the work of Dr. Weber to HTML without change except to spell out some of his abbreviations. My HTML links to the next generation replace Weber's sehe IIa (meaning see IIa). I plan to leave the German notes in the report and offer my translation in blue. If you have a better translation of any sentence, please e-mail it to me. I plan to get these pages online and then add my translations. All these lineages are reconstructions by Dr. Weber based on the records he found. Dr. Weber did all this work in two years! He had to find the records, read the old pen styles, and look for relationships, and then type these family lineages.

Abbreviations used centuries ago and retained by present-day German genealogists

• * = date of birth
• oo = marriage place, date, mit maiden name of spouse, other details from the churchbooks. In the church books, the two circles overlap to represent wedding rings. I used "m." to replace "oo". If remarriage, then I use "m1" and "m2". I retained the German "mit" which means with and indicates with whom the person married.
• + = place of death and date, sometimes other details
• ? = Weber was not sure of the correct reading of the characters in the church book.
• I, II, ..., or X before a name is the generation number. IIc means 3rd family of 2nd generation.
• "um" = about, but I have used "~". Thus, ~1535 means about 1535. Often the date is followed by err. (meaning calculated from some event in person's life, such as age at death).
• Weber's format of birth entry: * [town] date; remarks such as death date if a child. Since the town was already given for the father, he omitted town unless he found child was born elsewhere.
• "T.d. + Leonhard Spiess zu Mannheim" = daughter of the late Leonhard Spiess of Mannheim

Format used here for a Husband and his Family

IIc. Name of Husband [town where he was living], * (birth data); confirmation; + (death data)
  biographic notes on husband, if any.
  marriage data of first marriage m. place, date, name of bride; her remarrige data placed at end of line.
  marriage data of second marriage of husband, remarriage data of widow placed at end of line.
  list of the childern, including death data if child had no offspring

(The IIc. means generation 2, and the third family having childern of that generation

The Wentz Edelmann Lineage
This family lived near Darmstadt in Germany
Bearbeiter: Dr. F. H. Weber, Osannstrasse 51, Darmstadt, Deutshland

Versuch einer Rekonstruktion der Stammfolge der Sippe Edelman (aus Gr¨afenhausen) unter Bezugnahme auf Abschriften von Urkunden und Kirchenbucheintragungen, vorgenommen von H. Egelhof in Seeheim an der Bergstrasse und A. Klink in Gross-Gerau.

An attempt at reconstructing the family lines of the Edelmann lineage that originated in Grafenhausen...(? old traditions and church books?)... H. Egelhof obtained the data in Seeheim-on-the-Bergstrasse. A. Klink obtained the data in Gross-Gerau. [villages east of Darmstadt]

Abbreviations of Village names; Weber placed these inside [ ]:

D. = Darmstadt in Hessen/Darmstadt (Northern Hesse is Hessen/Kasel
G. = Gralfenhausen      
G.-G. = Gross-Gerau (Big Gerau village)
Pf. = Pfungstadt (--city)
Sch. = Schneppenhausen (--houses)
W. = WallerstaLdten (Walled? cities)
Mittlgn.d.H.F.V. = "mittelilungen" d. Hessen Familiengeschichtl. Vereinigung
S. = Sohn = son; T. = Tochter = daughter
konf. = konfirmiert = confirmation, seems to be rare in the churchbooks.  

I. Wentz Edelmann [G.], * ~1490? (zahlt Zins im Jahre 1540 an Forstmeister von Helnhausen
  [G.] means Wentz Edelmann lived in Gelnhausen which is a village near Darmstadt - not on my map)
  1. Jacob (Jeckel) Edelmann, * [G.]~1515? see IIa (Zahlt 1540 fur seine Hofreite 2 Schillinge und Zehnten)
  2. Hen Edelmann, * [G.]~1518? (zahlt Zins und ein Huhn zu Martini, 1540)

  IIa. Jacob Edelmann [G.], * ~1515? (zahlt 1540 fur seine Hofreite 2 Schillinge und Zehnten)
    1. Hans Edelmann, * ~1535? see III
    2. Hen Edelmann, * ~1538? + between 1588 and 1592 (aufgehuLhrt i.d. Musterunsliste 1588 der Cent Gerau; (s. Mittlgn. der H.F.V.II.103)
    3. Michel Edelmann, * ~1540? (aufgef.i.d.Misternungsliste 1588; siehe Mittlgn.der H.F.V. II.106; wohnt zu Sch.)

    III. Hans Edelmann [G.], * ~1535? + before 1565
      1. Jacob Edelmann, * ~1560? see IVa 
      2. Wendel Edelemann, * ~1565? see IVb
      3. Peter Edelmann, * ~1567 calcd see IVc
      4. Hans Edelmann, * 1570? see IVd

      IVa. Jacob Eddlemann [G.], * ~1560?
        1. Adam Edelmann, * ~1580; + before 1612 see Va

      IVb. Wendel Edelmann [G.], * ~1565; + [D] 1635 Feb 3 (Pest)
        (genannt i. Kriegsschadensverz. 1622; had 4 horses and 4 cattle)
        1. Michael Edelmann, * ~1590 see Vb
        2. Magdalena Edelmann, * ~1595; (gen. als Patin 1616)

      IVc. Peter Eddlemann [G.], * 1567 err.; + [D] 1635 Feb 9, age 68 (Pest)
        m. before 1600 mit Catharia ___; +D.24.3.1635
        1. Bechtold, * ~1595 see Vc
        2. Johann Philipp Edelmann, * ~1600 see Vd
        3. Michel Edelmann, * 1603 err. see Ve
        4. Hans Edelmann, * 1605 err.; +D.24.3.1635, age: 30 years

      IVd. Hans Edelman [G.] * ~1570?; + before 1612
        m. before 1600 mit Elisabeth ___; + [Sch].13.7.38
        1. Anna Edelmann, * ~1600
        2. Elisabeth Edelmann, * ~1602
        3. Johannes Edelmann, * ~1605; genannt als Pate 7.9.1656

        Va. Adam Edelmann [Sch.], * ~1580; + before 1612?
          1. Margaretha Edelmann, * ~1602 m. [Gross-Gerau] 1625 Apr 24 mit Michael Geisshenner of Klein-Gerau 
          2. Anna Edelmann, * ~1605; genannt als Pate 1621

        Vb. Michael Edelmann [G.], * ~1590; m. before 1622; + [G.] before 1622
          1. Hans Edelmann, * ~1619; + before 1652 see VIa
          2. Catharina Eddleman, * [D.] 1622 Jun 27; m. 1652 Apr 25 mit Anastasius Hammann, BaLcker of Gelnhausen

        Vc. Bechtold Edelmann [G.], * ~1595; genannt als Vormund in 1635; + [G.] before 1638 Feb 11
          1. Michael Edelmann, * 1631 err.; + [D.] 1635 Mar 2 (Pest)

        Vd. Johann Philipp Edelmann [G.], * 1600; + [G.] 1651 May 27
          GerichtsschoLffe; gen. 1640 in Kriegsschadens-Verzeichnis (s. "Mittlgn" .H.F.V. VI, page 184)
          m. mit Christina Schad ()1601 err.; + [G.-G.]1971 Nov 8, age 70; dau of the late Philipp Schad of [G.]
            After husband's death she remarried mit Johann Georg Opfferman of [Sch], schoolmaster.
            their adopted dau Margaretha m. [G.] 1660 Mar 5 mit Jacob Maurer of Gelnhausen
        Ve. Michael Edelmann [G.]. * 1603 err.; + [D.] 1690 Jan 21, age 87
          Gerichtsverwanter of Sch.; gen. i. Kriegsschadensverz. 1640; s. "mittlgn" d.H.f.V. VI page 185
          m. Elisabeth ___ * 1600 err.; + [Sch] 1696 Sep 20; age 96
          1. Michael Edelmann, * [Sch.] ~1635 see VIb
          2. Johannes Edelmann, * [SCH.] 1638 Jul 22
          3. Anna Edelman, *1640 Aug 12; genannt als Patin
          4. Jacobus Edelmann, * ~1642; als Pate gen. 1654
          5. Anna Margaretha, * 1644?; m. [D.] 1673 Apr 10 mit Johann Metsiger, Jr.; + [D.] 1711 May 30

        VIa. Hans Edelman [Sch.], * 1619? + before 1652
          m. before 1644 mit Magdalena ___ [Sch.] 1656 Oct 14
          1. Johannes Eddleman, * [D.] 1644 Feb 18; + [Sch.] 1702 Apr 20 see VIIa
          2. Philipp Edelmann,
          3. Catharina Edelmann,

To be continued. Weber found some of the 12th generation born 1793-1800 in [G.-G.]