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This is Data EGL has received but not cataloged.

All this data will be move to other pages someday.


From TexDick at my request.

Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 12:22pm Electronic Mail From: INT:texdick@atlcon.net Msg#: 315123 To: Indbio Re: Re:

Eddleman Geneology Library is on my site URL Harold, Yes, it is good to meet a fellow researches and maybe a newfound cousin.

My research takes be back to this David Eddleman below but I have no record proof David is my line. My proven line is Moses Eddleman listed below as the son of David. Harold, I have visted your web page. I do like all of it and not just the EDDLEMAN section. It will take some time but I will take a better look soon. I hope you will give me your thoughts or can help be find record proof... something that will prove or disprove Moses as the son of David.

Another point of interest to us is Ruddell Station. My wife Linda Chadwick 7th great uncle is Capt. Issac Ruddell.

Family Group Report - 23 July 1997 Husband: David Eddleman Birth: About 1770 Place: Rowan Co., NC Death: About 1829 Place: Newton Co., GA Father: unknown Eddleman Marriage: 24 November 1795 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Wife: Elizabeth Adams Death: Place: Newton Co., GA Children... 1. M Child: Moses Eddleman (Direct line) Birth: About 1796 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Death: After January 1861 Place: GA Spouse: Catherine Moony Marriage: 27 November 1818 Place: Morgan Co., GA 2. F Child: Mary M. Eddleman Birth: 1799 Place: NC Death: 30 December 1863 Place: Newton Co. GA Burial: Place: Newton Co. GA Spouse: Archibald E. Laird Marriage: 1820 Place: GA 3. M Child: John E. Eddleman Birth: 1801/1804 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Death: Place: Newton Co., GA Spouse: Elizabeth C. Cruse Marriage: 16 December 1824 Place: Newton, Ga. 4. F Child: Catherine Eddleman Birth: 1806 Place: Walton Co., GA Death: 18 March 1870 Place: Notasulga, AL Spouse: James Madison Stanfield Marriage: About 1828 5. M Child: David Eddleman Birth: 1810 Place: NC Death: 1883/1884 Place: Hood Co., TX Spouse: Elizabeth 6. M Child: Reuben A. Eddleman Birth: 1812 Place: Walton Co., GA Spouse: Mary Ann F. Cruse Marriage: 18 March 1830 Place: Newton Co., GA 7. M Child: William Eddleman Birth: 1815 Place: Walton Co., GA Spouse: Permelia S. Bailey Marriage: 15 July 1837 Place: Newton Co., GA 8. F Child: Nicey Ann Eddleman Birth: 1817 Place: Walton Co., GA 9. M Child: Elijah Eddleman Birth: About 1819 Place: GA Spouse: Malissa Husbandís Notes... Notes: 1812 - GA, David Eddleman was living in Jackson, Morgan & Walton Counties GA. David probably moved from NC to GA about the 1811/1812 time frame. 1812 - Randolph Co., GA (was Jasper Co., GA) David Eddleman, sold land on 24 Feb. 1812. FHLC# 0158495 p.304 1812 - Jasper Co., GA David Eddleman, bought land. 1812 - 1819 Morgan Co., GA FHLC# 0158490Tax Digest 1817 - Morgan Co. Capt. Stricklands District p.44 David Edelmond. 1829 - GA, Newton Co., David Eddleman, estate book E, P.2 Heirs signatures to estate sale Book F, page 833 Newton Co., GA. Wifeís Notes... Notes: 1820 - Walton Co., GA see husband (age 26-45) 1830 - Newton Co., GA FHLC# 007,040 1840 - Newton Co., GA FHLC# 007,046 Tex Dick & Linda Chadwick's genealogy on the WWWeb Web page http://www.atlcon.net/~texdick/ texdick@atlcon.net tex.dick@juno.com Tex & Linda Dick 305 Avalee Dr. Brooks, GA 30205-9429 ---

This may duplicate the above

Below is for EGL

(R)eply, (E)rase, (C)opy, (F)orward, (B)acktrack, (P)revious, or (N)ext? Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 12:22pm Electronic Mail From: INT:texdick@atlcon.net Msg#: 315123 To: Indbio Re: Re: Eddleman Geneology Library is on my site URL Harold, Yes, it is good to meet a fellow researches and maybe a newfound cousin. My research takes be back to this David Eddleman below but I have no record proof David is my line. My proven line is Moses Eddleman listed below as the son of David. Harold, I have visted your web page. I do like all of it and not just the EDDLEMAN section. It will take some time but I will take a better look soon. I hope you will give me your thoughts or can help be find record proof... something that will prove or disprove Moses as the son of David. Another point of interest to us is Ruddell Station. My wife Linda Chadwick 7th great uncle is Capt. Issac Ruddell. Family Group Report - 23 July 1997 Husband: David Eddleman Birth: About 1770 Place: Rowan Co., NC Death: About 1829 Place: Newton Co., GA Father: unknown Eddleman Marriage: 24 November 1795 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Wife: Elizabeth Adams Death: Place: Newton Co., GA Children... 1. M Child: Moses Eddleman (Direct line) Birth: About 1796 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Death: After January 1861 Place: GA Spouse: Catherine Moony Marriage: 27 November 1818 Place: Morgan Co., GA 2. F Child: Mary M. Eddleman Birth: 1799 Place: NC Death: 30 December 1863 Place: Newton Co. GA Burial: Place: Newton Co. GA Spouse: Archibald E. Laird Marriage: 1820 Place: GA 3. M Child: John E. Eddleman Birth: 1801/1804 Place: Lincoln Co., NC Death: Place: Newton Co., GA Spouse: Elizabeth C. Cruse Marriage: 16 December 1824 Place: Newton, Ga. 4. F Child: Catherine Eddleman Birth: 1806 Place: Walton Co., GA Death: 18 March 1870 Place: Notasulga, AL Spouse: James Madison Stanfield Marriage: About 1828 5. M Child: David Eddleman Birth: 1810 Place: NC Death: 1883/1884 Place: Hood Co., TX Spouse: Elizabeth 6. M Child: Reuben A. Eddleman Birth: 1812 Place: Walton Co., GA Spouse: Mary Ann F. Cruse Marriage: 18 March 1830 Place: Newton Co., GA 7. M Child: William Eddleman Birth: 1815 Place: Walton Co., GA Spouse: Permelia S. Bailey Marriage: 15 July 1837 Place: Newton Co., GA 8. F Child: Nicey Ann Eddleman Birth: 1817 Place: Walton Co., GA 9. M Child: Elijah Eddleman Birth: About 1819 Place: GA Spouse: Malissa Husbandís Notes... Notes: 1812 - GA, David Eddleman was living in Jackson, Morgan & Walton Counties GA. David probably moved from NC to GA about the 1811/1812 time frame. 1812 - Randolph Co., GA (was Jasper Co., GA) David Eddleman, sold land on 24 Feb. 1812. FHLC# 0158495 p.304 1812 - Jasper Co., GA David Eddleman, bought land. 1812 - 1819 Morgan Co., GA FHLC# 0158490Tax Digest 1817 - Morgan Co. Capt. Stricklands District p.44 David Edelmond. 1829 - GA, Newton Co., David Eddleman, estate book E, P.2 Heirs signatures to estate sale Book F, page 833 Newton Co., GA. Wifeís Notes... Notes: 1820 - Walton Co., GA see husband (age 26-45) 1830 - Newton Co., GA FHLC# 007,040 1840 - Newton Co., GA FHLC# 007,046 Tex Dick & Linda Chadwick's genealogy on the WWWeb Web page http://www.atlcon.net/~texdick/ texdick@atlcon.net tex.dick@juno.com Tex & Linda Dick 305 Avalee Dr. Brooks, GA 30205-9429 ---------- >


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Gross, Theobald Ad #36519 What I know: Born: ca 1750-55 in Pennsylvania Married: ca 1771-76 in North Carolina Died: 1838 in Clinton Co,Kentucky Spouse: Edelmann, Barbara

Children: Catherine, Johannes, David, Simon, Anna Margaretha, Jacob

Other Information: Another child was Christina. Baptismal records for children are recorded in the Wachovia, Bethabara and Hope church books between 1771- 1779 at Moravian Archives,Winston Salem,N.C. Theobald's father was Simon Gross who arrived at Philadelphia 17 Nov 1741 from Rotterdam. Barbara Edelmann's parents were Johan Peter Edelmann and Anna Margaretha Schaefer who were born near Beerfelden,Germany

What I would like to find out: Where,when were Theobald Gross and Barbara Eddleman born and where were they married? Familes resided in Lancaster Co.,and Philadelphia,Pennsylvania and Rowan,later,Surry County,North Carolian.This family went to Cumberland County,Kentucky around 1800. Contact Information: James Donald Groce, Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, CMR 402, Box 462, APO, AE, 09180, United States

Telephone: 49-6371-64606

jgroce@bunt.com


Subject: RE: A private message Date: 25 Sep 97 13:22:24 -0500 From: jedelmann@daynt1.daas.dla.mil To: Indbio

snip > Now that I learned this week that Ute can be a German girls name, I >wonder if her name was Ute and Mark's family assumed she was an indian > Was denken Sie? Ich denke Sie haben rechts. >If you have not seen his site; there is a link on my eg.htm I have. I already forward that comment, not questioning the connection, mind you, but I did explain my wife's name and the pronounciation of it. Her name is pronounced Oootah, not "YOUtah". It would have been interesting to determine if the one who carried on the historical tidbit, knew *how* the word was pronounced... "YOU" or "OOO".

>John.


Subject: Re: General Eddleman Date: 27 Sep 97 19:49:08 -0500 From: joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net To: Indbio

Harold Eddleman PhD wrote: > > Dear Joe, > I forgot to say. Riley Eddleman had a clipping of General Eddleman and > Bill said he was going to look for it. Maybe he sent that to the list, > my messages come in looking like private messages--most of the time. > -- > Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. Microbiology, Genetics, Mol. Biology, Education > mailto:indbio@disknet.com http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab > Indiana Biolab micropropagates virusfree sweetpotato, strawberry, and > caneberries. Our sweetpotato outyielded certified plants 3-fold. Site > has science projects/info for kids, teachers, gardeners, and farmers. > The URL also has: FARMS AROUND THE WORLD. EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY. Dear HArold, As usual I have asked for information which I already have if I would only go through my notes and prior correspondence. I just located some information which I was sent back in 1985 which makes reference to General Eddleman ie Gen. Clyde Eddleman born in Orange Tex.The information makes reference to his children which I will pass on to the gentleman who inquired about him. Thanks anyway. Joe Eddleman


Subject: Re: German Speaking People Date: 28 Sep 97 12:10:52 -0500 From: weddlema@biology.semo.edu To: Indbio

At 02:23 AM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.intertekweb.com/gpsbook/15.html > >-- >Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. Microbiology, Genetics, Mol. Biology, Education >mailto:indbio@disknet.com http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab > Indiana Biolab micropropagates virusfree sweetpotato, strawberry, and > caneberries. Our sweetpotato outyielded certified plants 3-fold. Site > has science projects/info for kids, teachers, gardeners, and farmers. > The URL also has: FARMS AROUND THE WORLD. EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY. >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="15.html" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="15.html" >Content-Base: "http://www.intertekweb.com/gpsbook/15. > html" > ><BASE HREF="http://www.intertekweb.com/gpsbook/15.html"> > ><html> ><body bgcolor=#669999 vlink=#C0C0C0>> ><title>German Speaking People</title> ><h1>German Speaking People</h1> ><hr> ><body><p>596 pp hardbound, fully indexed, one-of-a-kind study of the >migrational history of more than 600 immigrant families who pioneered >the settlement of present day North Carolina Counties of Burke, Catawba, >Cleveland, Gaston, Lincoln, and Rutherford, and the Cape Girardeau >District of Southeast Missouri. Many have origins documented in VA, MD, >PA, and a surprising number with origins in Alsace, The Netherlands, Switzerland, >and the Germanic Provinces of Europe for as many as five generations.<br> ><p>Emphasis is >upon the immigrant's time of arrival, his spouse, his children, who they >married and where they moved to. Although most participated in the settlement >of the South and West, the greatest concentration of them can be found in Southeast >Missouri after 1800.<br> ><p>Families with extensive sketches include Anthony, Best, Bess, >Baker, Carpenter, Cline, Cloninger, Clubb, Costner, Crites, Deck, Dellinger, >Eaker (Ecker in Alsace and Egger in Switzerland), Freitag, Friday, Froneberger, >Fulbright, Goodbread, Hahn, Hawn, Hambright, Hartle, Hildebrand, Hoyle, >Huffstutler, Killian, Kinder, Kiser, Kuykendall, Lineberger, Mauney, Mooney, >(Mani in PA, Alsace and Switzerland), Miller, Mosteller, Moyer, Myers, Mull, >Propst, Roth, Rhodes, Rhyne, Rudisill, Seitz, Shell, Slinkard, Stroup, >Warlick, Whisenant, Whittenburg, Wise, Yount, and Zimmerman. Shorter, >definitive studies on the other families.</p> ><a href="booklist.html">Back to List</a> ></body></html> > > Harold,

Please BEWARE of the Eddleman section of this book. There are a number of errors on relationships in it. (For example, she has David as the father of Peter of Surry's son Peter.) I have spoken with Lorena and given her the proof of the errors, so her planned supplement will correct these. However, it is an EXCELLENT compilation of information on many families and puts a lot of primary references under one cover. I use it very often.

----Bill @ SEMO


ubject: Alsace Eddleman Clan Date: 28 Sep 97 23:37:02 -0500 From: joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net To: Indbio

Dear Harold, Do you have the following information taken from St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, Hanover, York County, Pa.or have I already given it to you. Catrina, dau. of Philip Edelman, b. Nov. 15, 1741, bapt. Dec.16, 1741 Sponser: Berhnhart Houx and wife.

Elias, son of (David?) Edelman, b. July 3, 1743, bapt. MArch 4, 1744 Sponser" Stoffel Schlegel, wife Anna Maria

Joe Eddleman


Subject: RE: there is no hurry. + connection theories Date: 29 Sep 97 07:45:42 -0500 From: jedelmann@daynt1.daas.dla.mil To: Indbio

snip > > I figure it will take me into November to get all of it typed in.

Okay... thanks

The following might want to be included for the list:

> Your part of Germany in not so far from the Odenwald, do you figure >there is any connection?

If so, it would have been very early on. Unfortunately, the records in the area were partially destroyed in a fire, I believe, plus, Stangenroth itself was nearly burnt down at one point in its history (maybe in the 1500 or 1600's - I'd have to get the book out to check). A relative of mine by marriage (my brother's mother-in-law), whose surname is Nassar, was born and raised in Kitzingen, which is about 5km from Stangenroth. However, her family name is likely of Mid-eastern origin, perhaps as a result of the crusades. Further, she mentioned that her German ancestors actually started out in the Alsace area ALSO, and migrated up the Danube, eventually ending up in Franconia (the area of the Rhoen I'm talking about.) So... who's to say? All we need to do is to look in the records for the Edelmann (s) that migrated EAST up into Franconia, and especially if it's a Michael (there were lots of Michaels in our family line) then maybe we have a hit. Of course, assuming it was prior to the Reformation, they would have been Catholic at the time of the proposed migration, and upon arrival in Stangenroth or that vicinity, would have found themselves in a thriving little cluster of Catholicism.

John.

> Bill figures the Edelmann of Alsace came from northern Switzerland and >he knows much about Edelmann names in switzerland. Sadly, he can only >trace his family to John Eddleman in NC. However, I can't document mine >that far back. You have your Edelmann farther bac harold eddleman


Subject: [EDDLEMAN-L] Sarah Matilda Edelman Date: 3 Oct 97 11:50:08 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

** Low Priority **

Does any one have the following people in their family tree?

Sarah Matilda Edelman born: 5 May 1862 place: Philadelphia, PA married: abt 1886 spouse: William J. Huttenlock born: 27 Dec 1861 place: Philadelphia, PA

Daughter: Mary Applegate Huttenlock born: 9 Aug 1888 place: Philadelphia, PA death: 19 Aug 1959 place: Philadelphia, PA

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Subject: Alsace queries Date: 3 Oct 97 12:21:54 -0500 From: indbio@disknet.com To: Indbio

Dear EDDLEMAN-L I guess thousands of people came from Alsace to America, partly because Queen Ann (?) recognized it as a way to populate her colonies before the Rev War. The URL below does not have many queries posted, but you may find them of general interest and they want more queries, it is a moderated list and it will take three weeks or so to get your query listed. Meanwhile you are only a click away from seeing what others are doing and the answer the moderator gave.

http://feefhs.org/de/als/alsrl.html -- Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. Microbiology, Genetics, Mol. Biology, Education mailto:indbio@disknet.com http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab Indiana Biolab micropropagates virusfree sweetpotato, strawberry, and caneberries. Our sweetpotato outyielded certified plants 3-fold. Site has science projects/info for kids, teachers, gardeners, and farmers. The URL also has: FARMS AROUND THE WORLD. EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY.

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ubject: Edelmann Cemetery in SD Date: 6 Oct 97 11:08:34 -0500 From: indbio@disknet.com To: Indbio

Dear EDELMANN-L the URL http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/pub/grhs/articles.txt reports an Edelmann Cemetery in Freeman SD Published in Stammbaum 7 (1979) page 37 no other information available -- Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. Microbiology, Genetics, Mol. Biology, Education mailto:indbio@disknet.com http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab The URL also has: FARMS AROUND THE WORLD. EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY.


Date: 8 Oct 97 21:52:20 -0500 From: Kwbcm@sssnet.com To: Indbio

Dear Harold,

The recent articles about the Addleman family has been the highlight of my days work! I just know that one of these days I will find my connection!!

I would like to be listed in the EGL. Am I guessing correctly that EGL is for Eddleman Genealogy List? I want to be part of anything that will help me find the missing links.

I am searching Eddlemans in W. VA. My father was Donald Edward Eddleman, b. Oct.1924 Wheeling WVA, d. July 1984 Clinton, OH. His father was Earl Jolly Eddleman (b. 30 Jan. 1892, d. 12 Ap 1947) and mother was Ruth May Sisler(b. 17 Nov. 1896, d. 03 Nov. 1956) There were ten children including my dad: Gladys, Grace, Mary, Phyllis, Jerry, Arthur Jefferson, Russell, Jeff, Leonard Melvin, and Donald Edward.

Earl's parents were Jefferson Eddleman(1869-1921) and Mary ?. Once my dad said that he thought his grandparents were from Germany.

Supposedly my great grandparents lived and/or died in Hundred WVA. No records. Also, just recently heard a family story that gggrandmothers father was an American Indian. No records and that is the first time I heard that story in my 45 years!

Looking forward to more data and thanks, ever so much for all the work you share with us!

Chris Eddleman-Buzek


: edelman list Date: 9 Oct 97 02:13:30 -0500 From: ken.wardell@neopc.org To: Indbio

Harold, I'm following the discussions of the Edelmans but it appears that your branch doesn't coincide with mine. You can put me on your list of researchers. I sent this message once before but will repeat it here just in case. I need help on my Ohio Edelmans. Elizabeth, b.1824, in NY (1850 census), d. 19 Nov 1906 in Powell, OH., married Nelson R. Talley in Prospect, Marion Co., Ohio in 1842. They are buried in Thompson Twp. Cemetery just south of Prospect. In the 1850 census, an Elizabeth, b. c1789, lived with them in Wood Co., OH. She may be her mother. The marriage records of Wood Co. also list these Eddlemans: George, Mary Suzanna, Jacob and James. They may be siblings of Eliza. In the History of Union Co., George and El izabeth (Gaumer) Edelman, natives of PA, are listed as James' parents. The Talleys settled in Delaware Co., OH sometime before 1858. A John M. Edelman. b 1814, and his wife are buried in the Prospect Cemetery. He may have been a brother also. I have searched in many counties in PA and NY and there are plenty of Elizabeths around but I have not found a birth record of my Elizabeth. Ken Wardell, Westlake, OH

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Subject: [EDDLEMAN-L] Edelmans in Northampton Co. PA Date: 30 Nov 97 10:36:20 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear cousins,

I have read with great interest the materials Jim has posted on the John Peter Edelman family in the Easton area. I have corresponded with at least one descendant of an Adam Edelman who appears in some of the same records as this family (Williams Township Congregation, Northampton Co., PA). Her name is Grace Collins, and I do not believe she is online. There was also a Johann Georg that appears in some of the same records. Grace has many additional records on these other families.

Interestingly, this John Peter is the family that my uncle thought was our line. It is most assuredly not, since John Peter had only 2 sons. One died young (Peter) and the other (Conrad) stayed in the area, as indicated by Jim's records. My uncle also had Marie Elizabeth as a Zohn, and I have no idea why (since I have never found anyone by this name marrying an Edelman). I have seen her surname as both Toomer and Tomer. Uncle Riley also liberally mixed this family with the Lancaster Co. David Edelmann family. I really don't think he understood the Pa. records very well--they are confusing if you don't keep the locations straight!

----Bill

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Subject: [EDDLEMAN-L] NC-Eddleman Date: 30 Nov 97 15:33:02 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

I am interested in finding information about Peter Eddleman (or Edelmann) and descendants. Originally from Germany via Pennsylvania to NC and settled in Rowan County. Peter>Phillip>Daniel>Jeremiah>Calvin Augustus>Floyd>Robert. Any information is appreciated.

==== EDDLEMAN Mailing List ==== Thanks for being a part of the Eddleman Discussion List. Have you introduced yourself?


Subject: you asked Date: 13 Oct 97 10:40:06 -0500 From: TheAxt@aol.com To: Indbio

Hi there Thank you for your response and the URLs. I don't have any data on Edelmann as my ancestors were in Russia until about 1900. I am new to computers & internet genealogy sites. I don't have a web site. Thanks for your response. ML My ancestors are refered to as Germans from Russia. These Germans from the Alsace, Baden, & Pfalz areas left those areas about 1804-1808 and settled in the Ukraine, South Russia. Many of their decendants came to the US (ND & SD) & Canada around 1890-1910. Those who remained suffered terribly under the Stalin & communist governments. We are just beginning to access records in Russian archives. Hope you don't mind this little history of the Germans from Russia. Mary Lynn Axtman researching from Kutschurgan villages: Axtman, Abel, Bertsch, Braunstein, Burgard (Burckhard), Buechler (Bickler), Dittenhoffer, Gange, Goetz, Ibach (Ebach), Jahner, Keller, Reiter, Roth, Senger, Schneider, Schuck, Schumacher, Schmaltz, Sahli, Thomas, Wildemann. >From Liebental villages: Bohl (Mariental), Meier (? Kleinliebental), Braunstein & Wildemann (Kleinliebental) North Dakota Area Counties: Pierce, McHenry, Benson, Ramsey, Wells.


Subject: Re: Eddleman (Vernon Co., MO. Cemetery) Date: 17 Oct 97 13:23:24 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:02:39 -0500 >To: "Donna Brown" <garyslady@kcnet.com> >From: "Dr. Bill Eddleman" <weddlema@biology.semo.edu> >Subject: Re: Eddleman (Vernon Co., MO. Cemetery) > >At 05:00 PM 10/16/97 +0000, you wrote: >>Hello Bill, >> >>I think I found your Christopher & Sarah EDDLEMAN: >> >>DEEPWOOD CEMETERY VERNON CO., MO >> >>J.J.EDDLEMON 1859---1929 >>M.D. EDDLEMON 1864---1936 >>C.H. EDDLEMON Nov 7, 1824---Feb 8, 1908 >>Sarah L. EDDLEMON Aug 12, 1837---April 29, 1927 >>William EDDLEMON 1851---1873 >>Maude EDDLEMON 1877---1879 >>Jasper EDDLEMON 1875---1879 >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>MOORE CEMETERY >> >>Amadora DUZAN EDDLEMON 1871---1957 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>NEWTON CEMETERY >> >>Edna Mae EDDLEMON died July 1985 >>Susie E. EDDLEMON Dec 1, 1863---Sep 25. 1911 >>William P. EDDLEMON 1854---1939 >>Oral N. EDDLEMON 1889---1964 >>Edna B. EDDLEMON 1892----no date >> >>This is all of the EDDLEMON / EDDLEMAN that are listed in the Vernon >>Co., Mo Cemetery book. Mostly all that are listed are ones that have >>a stone, or if someone sent the name in to be published. >> >>I did find a couple of CONRAD'S listed: >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>VIRGIL CITY CEMETERY >>Lydia CONRAD Jan 10, 1829---Oct 26, 1888 >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>WELBORN CEMETERY >> >>Mary M. CONRAD May 24, 1829---Jan 26, 1902 >> >>Hope this helps in your research! Happy Hunting!! >> >>Donna

Dear cousins,

Thought I would post this to the list. This family of Eddlemons is the family of my GG-grandfather's brother Christopher H. Eddlemon. Note that they kept the "-on" spelling of the surname. My GG-grandfather William Hager Eddleman was son of Henry Eddleman of Lincoln Co., NC and Perry Co., MO. Henry usually spelled his surname "Edleman" when he signed documents. Just goes to show, you can't depend on spelling to be consistent in the 1800s!

Christopher H. moved from Perry Co., MO to Vernon Co., MO after the Civil War. His wife was Sarah (Conrad). I am slowly piecing their story together!

----Bill

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Contact is as follows: Moravian Archives 4 East Bank Street Winston Salem,North Carolina 27101-5307 Telephone 910-722-1742 Richard W. Starbuck is Asst. Archivist.they do not photocopy their records;instead,they research inquiries and provide reports of their findings. I attempted to visit here in 1992. All my contacts have been by mail. My last letter from them, Sept 1995,does not show a em-mail or FAX address. More Saturday. -- Jim Groce


Subject: Re: Alsace Emigration Book -- Lookup? Date: 26 Oct 97 09:50:36 -0500 From: frfg@worldnet.att.net To: Indbio

The Bausser surname is not in either book, however there is the surname Bausnert, and BAUSHARD. Hope this helps


ubject: Pa. Edelmans Date: 27 Oct 97 17:05:16 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear cousins,

Trudi has posed a question that I don't really have much of an answer for. I extracted the 1790 Pa. federal census for Eddleman in its many spellings this Sat. (it was available in our local library). There are quite a few, and I don't have a good handle on who most of them were! The only genealogy I have ever seen that carried Pa. Eddlemans forward (note: Addlemans were carried forward in Robert's book) is one that was prepared on the Peter Edelman family in Northampton Co. This family was from the Easton area, and I believe the only surviving son of Peter was a Conrad. This genealogy was in the WHE Collection as I recall, but I didn't have the money to copy the entire thing the day I was there. I noted a copy was also in the Easton, Pa. library the last time I did an Internet search.

It would be nice if we had some local Pa. researchers! I know many of the "unexplained" Eddlemans who appear farther west later in the 19th century must be sons of the Pa. families who stayed in the state.

----Bill


bject: Re: (no subject)NC Eddleman Date: 27 Oct 97 17:24:58 -0500 From: weddlema@biology.semo.edu To: Indbio

At 12:08 AM 10/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >-- >ubject: > Eddleman/Addleman > Date: > 26 Oct 97 19:29:30 -0500 > From: > Gleitz@Netpointe.com > To: > Indbio > >Dear EDL > A man in my home County wrote this to me. I am posting it to the >group, in case, it might be of interest to others. > >Harold: >I located some Eddleman/Addleman in NC records married into my >Eckart/Stroup lines there. Would you be interested or is this David's >line? >I have a Jacob Crist who died 1817 Perry Co., IN. He may have come from >Frederick Co., MD. Possibly a couple of generations later than Jacob >Crist on ship Richard and Elizabeth 1733. >I enjoyed your Ship's List Webpage. Good Idea! >Roger Gleitz >-- > > > > > >==== EDDLEMAN Mailing List ==== >Thanks for being a part of the Eddleman Discussion List. > Have you introduced yourself? > > Harold,

At least one of my Lincoln Co. group married a Stroup, as I recall. Don't recall any Eckarts, so I will send this fellow a message.

----Bill



bject: Archived messages accessible at last! Date: 10 Dec 97 01:02:04 -0500 From: dsam@wasatch.com To: Indbio

Archived messages are now accessable for searching at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Just type the name:

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Can this be the Edelmann ship of the same date.?

Subject: Re: SCHOCH information? Date: 10 Dec 97 18:06:12 -0500 From: bjouaux@worldnet.fr To: Indbio

I have in my wife's genealogy : Mathias SCHOCH born on 02 25 1731 in AMMERSCHWIHR (Alsace dept 68) son of Andreas SCHOCH and Anna Catharina SCHILLINGER My sources are LDS records under reference: 070 6120 No sign of him after. Bernard Jouaux -----Message d'origine----- De : Marcy Ugstad <ugstad@coinet.com> À : Alsace-Lorraine-L@rootsweb.com <Alsace-Lorraine-L@rootsweb.com> Date : mardi 9 décembre 1997 18:18 Objet : SCHOCH information?

>Hello, > I'm researching information on my husband's ancestors and we have >information on a MATHIAS SCHOCH b.12-16-1738 in Alsace-Lorraine. He >immigrated to America, settling in Philadelphia,PA on 9-2-1749. He was >married twice and had at least 11 children. His second wife was a >CATHERINE LISE(?) b.1754 and died 3-5-1832. Mathias died in Snyder >County,PA on 3-10-1812. > Anyone with information on these people, please contact me. THANK YOU! >Also I have information on the decendant's of Mathias son, GEORGE >SCHOCH. >.....Marcy Ugstad Hayward > ugstad@coinet.com > > >==== ALSACE-LORRAINE Mailing List ==== >Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >Alsace-Lorraine-L users - send to Alsace-Lorraine-L-request@rootsweb.com >Alsace-Lorraine-D users - send to Alsace-Lorraine-D-request@rootsweb.com > > >

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ubject: [EDDLEMAN-L] Fw: Berrier/Barrier-Eddleman Date: 12 Dec 97 22:46:02 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

I just received this email and thought I'd pass it along.

Glenn Ray

-----Original Message----- From: Conquest Music, Inc. <conquestmusic@ewol.com> To: eddleman@netusa1.net <eddleman@netusa1.net> Cc: markh@intersource.com <markh@intersource.com> Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:33 PM Subject: Berrier/Barrier-Eddleman

>Hello Glen & Mark > >I am researching the Barrier/Berrier/Berger/Burgher/Barger family and >I keep tripping across the name Eddleman. > >I thought I would pass on the information which I have and I hope it >might be a small help to your research. > >>From the book, "Carolina Circle" by Ramsey,page 89 George Henrich >Birrer (or Berger) landed at Philadelphia..possible that George >Henrich Birrer (Berger) and Michel Behringer (Beirger) actually >had the same surname. Birrer acquired a land grant in 1761. >Behringing bought a portion from Birrer the following year. > >(The Rowan county, NC records show this to be true.) > >Ramsey goes on to say that in 1769 Michel and Catherine Barager >leased acres to Peter Eddleman of Northampton Cty, PA. Lease >was proved by George Henry Barager,Esq. From the Rowan Cty >Minutes,11,209 George Berrier was in Conestoga Creek, Lancaster,PA >in 1737. > >This was passed on to me by another Barrier researcher, however, I >have just acquired the will of Col George Henry Berger b 1734 d Mar >30,1820. George was married to Catherine Casper Mar 23 1785. >Children listed are: Henry,Sally,Margaret,Christian Leopard dec'd, >Barbary, >grandsons: David,John & George Masters,John & Henry >Stirewalt,Henry,John,Peter Bargar, and >granddaughters: Catherine Barger wife of Jacob Lyerly,Eliz Barger wife >of Andrew Holshauser,Margaret Barger and Leah Barger. > >Witnessed by: Robert Morgan, Abrasam Siffart and Peter Edelman. > >I note on your webpage the name Sauer and Conrad...both families have >married into the Berrier family. In fact, my ggggg grandmother was >Sarah Sauers, daughter of Phillip Sauers and Sarah was married to George >Barrier. > >Hope this tidbit helps >Stephanie Harrison >

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ar Harold, I believe I will be at home 9 p.m. Dec. 25. I am interested in a chat, so unless something comes up I plan to attend. Having chats could turn out to be of some help to some of us, who knows? I think it's worth a try. Unfortunately, I don't know of any living Edelman relatives so I'll only have my sons here - they are Cutshall, I took my maiden name back after my divorce. Neither my father, nor grandfather had brothers. My grandfather had a mail Edelman cousin who had sons, but I haven't located them or their families yet. My father's sister died childless and I have not yet located my grandfather's sister's family, although I found out her husband's name. Talk to you then. Trudi

Dear EDL, there is mention of the Edelmann coat of arms in the Eddelman papers housed at The Historical Society of Pennsylvania. I recall reading correspondence between Donna Edelman and William H. Eddleman wherein a copy of the coat-of arms-was obtained for Donna by William. Incidentally, I probably have a copy of all the Eddleman papers; I have not found it there. We can search for Donna Edelman or her heirs at Easton,PA for the coat-of-arms. Jim Groce


This would make Shakespear joyous, "Oh, for a commodity of good names." Typing in +Maria +Margaretha at INFOSEEK I found this site.

http://www.natins.com/genealogy/payc3.html

which is .450 Mbytes, of names in Churches of York PA. Names only, they want you to buy the CD-rom for $33. A to Z

Edelmann: Anna Maria, Catherine, David, Georg Heinrich, Juliana. Nothing new, but maybe they are just as good on names of related families, but I found none so far. That is about 60,000 names. --


Dear Bill and Glenn I am up late babysitting Greenhouse fires. I did some checks on names at Four11. Below is the number of names found left of name is one n as in Eddleman and on the right two nns as in Eddlemann

n name nn 10 Eddlemon 0 0 Edlemon blank means not tested 74 Eddleman 0 11 Edleman 0 2 Eddelman many of Catherine KY 's son Daniel line use Eddelman 183 Edelmann many of these are Findland, DE, Europe 31 Idleman 0 Recall Bill found this for Filb Edelmann in MD 24 Adleman 0 This surname has nothing to do with our Edelmann; right? 32 Addleman 0 -- Harold


ubject: [EDDLEMAN-L] Edelmann/Edleman/Eddleman families Date: 15 Jan 98 15:45:50 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear Harold, Spencer,Stephen, Susan, and EDL,

I have already sent EDL fairly well researched, documented information on the Johann Peter Edelmann-Anna Margaretha Schaefer families from Beerfelden/Airlenbach/Ober Sensbach of the Odenwald area, near the Rhein and Neckar Rivers, Germany. Does this need to be re-submitted? Yes, there was more than one "Peter" Edelmann in North Carolina. Does anyone have any information on a Barbara Edelmann, daughter of Johann Peter Edelmann and Anna Margaretha, who married a Theobald Gross, probably in Surry (Yadkin) County ca. 1773. Carolina? Stephen, I have a copy of most of the Eddelman Collection from the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. I will check for a possible answer to your question. Harold, don't remember if I told you but the bicycle map for the Odenwald area, fairly good detail, has been mailed to you. Maybe someone can draw a representation. Jim Groce

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Date: 14 Feb 98     From: jgroce@bunt.com

>Harold, I think I have a old letter, a letter, in my Eddelman Collection if you would like to write William R. Eddelman, who practiced law in the Dallas area. I would like to express my "thanks and appreciation" to you, Glenn, Joe, Bill, and Mark for the development of the EDDLEMAN-L and for keeping it going. It has become a remarkable resource and because of the collective efforts of cousins, in my opinion, is now a primary research source for Edelmann/Eddelman/Edelman families. I still have data from the Eddelman Family Notes Collection at The Historical Society Of Pennsylvania to report including Civil War and War of 1812 Edelmann records. Other messages to EDL:

Trudi - I have a transcription of a will for "Vollontine Edelman of Air Township Bedford County and State of Pennsylvania" for September 29, 1871. Executors of the will were wife Elisabeth and son Vollontine Edelman. Children are identified as "Jacob Edelman, Mary Lovecob, Caty Swank, Elisabeth Dishon, and Vollontine Edelman."

Other EDL information or random notes in the Eddelman Family Collection:

St. Matthews Lutheran Church, Hanover, York County, PA:

"Catrina, daughter of Phillip Edelman, born Nov. 15, 1741, bapt. December (18 or 16), 1741. Sponsors were Bernhardt Houx and wife;
Elias, son of Jacob Edelman, born July 3, 1743, baptized Mar. 4, 1744; sponsors Stoffel Schlegal, wife Anna Mar."

Records of Rev. Jacob Lischy, York County, Reformed:

"George Henry, son of David Edelman and wife Catherine, baptized Mar 24, 1761. Sponsors Henry Conrad and wife Elizabeth". ( a note states David Edelman was the son of Jacob, mentioned in the St. Matthew's Lutheran Church record).

Abbots Creek Settlement: "Abbots Creek Settlement Reformed Church, Davidson County, North Carolina - Baptisms of children of Philip Sauer. His sixth child David, born Feb 4, 1765. Sponsors David Edelman and wife Anna Catharine. Baptisms of children of Adam Conrad. His seventh child David, born Apr 6, 1771. Sponsors David Edelman and wife Anna Catherina".

Happy Valentine's Day, EDL Cousins. Jim


Harold and EDL,

Before we decide to spend a lot of money on Maryland deeds, let me see it microfilm is available through the local LDS Family History Center. This can be borrowed for a nominal fee and I may be able to view it at home (I plan on buying a reader very soon). Alternatively, many county recorder's offices will copy deeds for a relatively reasonable fee. This would take a phone call to the Baltimore Co., Md. courthouse, followed up by a letter.

The MOST expensive route would be to hire someone to do this, but let's investigate alternatives first.

----Bill

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>bibles, deeds, wills, etc. >

Harold and EDL,

Sounds good to me. My only limitation is enough time to get material into format, but if I can get it all in shape, there will be a lot.

Uncle Riley contacted J. Lowell Eddleman, who lived in Anna-Jonesboro within 20 miles of Cape Girardeau. I have his obituary, so I know he is gone. I got a call from his son some years ago, and I seem to remember he lived in the Chicago area. Also, I have some materials from an Ethiel(?) Johnson, who apparently did quite a lot of work on this branch. As Brenda indicates, they all descend from John, son of Peter of Erbach. I believe only one of John's sons (John) stayed in NC. The rest (Adam, Joseph, Thomas, Peter) went to Ill. See Brenda's site for more--she has more than I have on this family in Illinois.

----Bill


Date: 13 Feb 98 00:49:44 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Hi everyone: I was offline for a while and now I have a new e-mail address. It is EdelmanT@aol.com. My snail mail address is: P.O. Box 3025, Fort Myers Beach, FL 33932. Before I was down, someone mentioned that a Valentine Eddleman had a large family in PA and that his children may have all stayed in PA. I was born in PA and am stuck on a John Edelman born in Berks Co. in 1816 and have no idea who his parents were or where they lived or if they or John came from Europe. Because of the comment on Valentine, I'm going to try to find more info on him. Hopefully, this may lead me to my John. What I have on Valentine so far:

1. Vallentin Edelman, Hans Georg Edelman and Hans Peter Edelman, Wirtembergers from Erbach, arrive in Philadelphia on Sep. 2, 1749 aboard the Ship Albany, Master Robert Brown from Rotterdam, last from Cowes. 2. Valentine Edelman, BFD, 37, 1800 Census Index, Northampton Twp. 3. Volentine Edelman, BED, 018, 1810 Census Index. Air Twp.

This is a very busy time of year for me, but I'm going to try to get to the LSD family history library here to check the census records. Anyone have more on Valentine?

I also found a baptism record of a Rehman Edelmann, s. of Jacob and Elisabeth Edelmann, bap. May 10, 1817. Lebanon, Jonestown, Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church. I'm wondering if this could be my Raymond Edelman who was born July 5, 1816 in Berks Co. His father is only identified as John Edelman on Raymond's death certificate. Could he be John Jacob or Jacob John Edelman?

Then I found a Johann Christian Edelmann, s. of Jacob and Elisabeth Edelmann, bap. Jan. 7, 1822. Lebanon, Jonestown, Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church.

The next information I have on Raymond (with the spelling Eddleman this time) is the 1880 census. He was 63 then, married to Adeline (no maiden name) and she was born in N.J. They lived in Woodberry Township (haven't looked up the county yet.) They are my g.g. grandparents and they are buried in my family plot in Altoona, Blair Co. PA where my g. grandparents are buried.

Can anyone add info? Thanks.

Trudi Edelman

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Subject: Re: Hosting Eddleman/Edel surname Date: 3 Nov 97 09:57:46 -0500 From: dlbeck@artsci.wustl.edu To: Indbio

Harold,

You will find your site and your sons site already both linked as surname resource centers. You should have received e-mail about Sept 23 announcing the site. This is when I was initially scouring the web for sites like yours. Your sites combined have all the features, and many more required of a Surname Resource Center.

We have a template you can look at at the "Host a Surname" link on the main page. Also to see similar pages in "action" you can visit the Lane, Lawman, and Mann surname resource centers. This is just a template for ideas. I have found it very helpful though if this set of links as you see on the main pages of the Resource centers are combined together so that visitors can see at a glance what is there and go where the like. I have found a lot of people do not read the webpage, at best they skim it and might otherwise miss an important link. The idea of the template is to create a jumping point, to all the other information at the resource center and affiliated pages, like your sons page.

Adding this kind of starting point page is not required. You sites combined already meet the requirements, and will remain linked.

Best Wishes, David Beck

At 02:59 AM 11/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >Since I am already running a very successful Eddleman Site, I would be >willing to consider hosting that Surname(s) I have been research this >name 50 years and first looked at records in German churches in 1957. >-- > I am writing to invite you to visit the Eddleman >Genealogy Library, >http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg.htm >devoted to Edelmann, Eddelman, Edlemon, Addleman, >- 34 variations of the name known. The library is >an online collaboration by 2 dozen people having Edelmann >roots or ancestors who fought beside them or came to >America on the same ship. We have found 500 Edelmann >ancestors in Alsace, Switzerland, Odenwald, Bavaria. > Ever wonder what it was like trying to buy your >mamumission from your feudal lord and then having all >your money taken by 30 customs houses as you passed down >the Rhine, so that you arrived penniless at the ship? > You will find links at the library to other Eddleman >pages, links to historical maps, and much American >history because most of our Edelmann forefathers arrived >in the colonies between 1730 and 1760. > We also invite you to join the Eddleman Discussion List; >info at http://www.netusa1.net/~eddleman/eddleman.htm >We want to hear your Edelmann/Eddleman/Addleman stories. > EGL is not 45 pages of begats, our emphasis is on writing >the biography of each immigrant and stories of each family >up to about Civil War time in hopes that any Edelmann will >be able to connect to his family roots in Europe. > All this is free--with one catch, we hope you get so >interested that you will help with the writing and library >research, but that is not required. Since we have only been >writing this site for 3 months, don't be surprised that >many pages need rewriting and more data. Come join the fun. > Harold Eddeman, Volunteer Editor, > Eddleman Genealogy Library > mailto:indbio@disknet.com > > > >


Harold,

For the record, I use Netscape Navigator Gold, which has an html editor. I have this through work. In order to get it to recognize my .txt files, I have to rename them .htm files, but this seems to work.

The URL for the Ruddle's/Martin's stations article is:

http://www.shawhan.com/local_root_folder/Ruddle%27s.htm

The original reference for this article is:

Lafferty, Maude Ward. 1957. Destruction of Ruddle's and Martin's Forts in the Revolutionary War. Kentucky Historical Society [Volume not given]:9-35, Frankfort, Ken.

Listed among the men at Ruddles were David Erdman, John Burger, Sr. and John Burger, Jr. One of the John Burgers is listed among the captives, but no Erdman or Edelmann.

That's all for now.

----Bill


Harold,

No, you seem to have the time and html skills that I DON'T. The key document for you (if it exists) might be an estate settlement for Phillip in Baltimore Co., Md. Alternatively, is we could ever find Catherine Eddleman mentioned in her father's estate settlement or will. This would be a REAL long shot. Philip had land in present-day Carroll Co. I had A LOT of trouble getting access to Maryland records here, but some day I plan on searching via LDS films. All I need is time and money. Right now both are limited. I'm teaching 3 different courses--majors and non-majors--and feeling the usual pulls in several directions at once. In addition, I'm president of the local Audubon Chapter and editing the quarterly for the Cape Girardeau Co. Genealogical Society. (My wife is VERY patient!)

I did work some more on the newsletter this weekend. Maybe I can have it to you (in rich text format) next week.

Many of the other folks who are not online have problems 1 to 3 generations closer to date. We have a lot of Eddleman mysteries from the 1800s, including some in my own line!

----Bill


ubject: RE: Eddleman Discussion List Date: 23 Sep 97 09:24:48 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Harold wrote: > > I hope you will join EDDLEMAN-L, a discussion list devoted to all >variations of the Edelmann name. If you visit the URL above you will >find a link for joining EDDLEMAN-L. We have 20+ members at present. > We are still trying to learn how the Eddleman variant arose. It seems >most of these Edelmann came to America 1730-1760 from Alsace and >Odenwald and used their true name in church records but the British >civil offices gave them some form of Eddleman spelling. > I really hope you will join EDDLEMAN-L right away because some data on >Edelmann in Germany has come in and by contributing what you know of >German origins you may keep us from being too regional in our views. I >am in the process of posting about 300 names in German families of 1400 to 1800 from the William H. Eddleman collection.

Liebe Edelmaenner und Eddlemans!

(Just a little German to get things started off on the right foot)

The following is somewhat lengthly... I not sure what's expected here... so if I offend anyone with the quantity... I apologize in advance. I'm nevertheless happy to discover a group taking a very studied approach to these matters.

I have joined, I hope. Firstly, as I mentioned to Harold in my initial response, I was amazed to have been contacted by an Eddleman... I have spent my life trying to make sure the name is pronounced "correctly"; the spelling with 2 d's is certainly the anglicized version of it at its best.

BUT, given the dates of entry of your clans/lines, etc., it is quite apparent that a change would have been made by the political bodies governing the area.

Since my earliest emigrating ancestor wasn't here until atleast 1889, (In the person of Bruno Edelmann), there was little desire to change the name. I can understand the difficulty of trying to find a German connection in the absence of ship records, etc., when the emigrant lived in the mid 1700's. The David Edelmann find is indeed a prodigious accomplishment!

In any event, many of you have seen the web page at http://mozart.daas.dla.mil/genealog.html. I might mention that my father, Paul Frederick (deceased Oct 9, 1995) and I began genealogical research in 1975, as I was working on the Genealogy merit badge with the Boy Scouts.

He was instrumental in getting the ball rolling ... at that time ,all my grandparents were alive and well, so they assisted greatly.

The pronounciation of the name Edelmann is, in German, long "A"delmann, in sound, a point that my grandfather made at every opportunity. He was the only son of Bruno, the emigrant (he had 2 sisters). Bruno died at the age of 36 of stomach cancer in Circleville Oh, and his wife, Elizabeth Helfenbein, a family from Osthofen, along the Rhine (near Mainz) remarried to John Kent, in Waverly Ohio. Fortunately, adoption wasn't common, and my grandfather kept the name of his German ancestory.

Being from Bavaria, in what might be considered Middle Frankonia (the very northern part), our line of Edelmanns was and is devoutly Catholic. Thus, it was with considerable consternation that Elizabeth (a Evangaelische - Lutheran) agreed to marry my greatgrandfather, Bruno. Her father disowned her. In addition, Bruno was 11 years her senior.

In any event, Bruno left Stangenroth, a small village in an area of several small villages (including Burkadroth) about 5km from the Kreuzberg, a mountain in the Rhoen where a monument and monastery was erected when St. Kilian brought Christianity to the area about 688 or so.

There is a history written of the area, which begins with the Roman era. Fr. Anton Reinhard wrote this document. It is in German. I have a copy, should anyone be interested (and able) to study it, let me know.

I could go on, but let me suggest that I have a history written up, which I now know can be converted to HTML. I'll do that, and add it too my Web pages.

Let me add a bit of personal info to introduce myself. I'm a system consultant with Digital Equipment Corporation, on site at WPAFB in Dayton OH. My wife is Ute [Herfurth] Edelmann, formerly of Karlsruhe, Germany, and her mother, Helga Wehrle, is also from there, though she has moved to the United States permanently.

As my mother-in-law doesn't speak English very well, we speak a lot of German. My mother-in-law is also fairly adept at reading old German manuscript (such as is used in Church Records prior to 1920's). She was able to trace back one of the Seidel lines back to the late 1700's to a town along the Rhine, OberSchopfheim.

Harold, most maps of Bavaria (even atlases) should have the area around Bad Kissingen (which was a summer home of the Kaisers) in fair detail. Other villages in the area include Wollbach, Zahlbach, and Gefaell.

As I mentioned previously, I've been to the area 3 times since 1986, and just about everyone in the 3 neigbhoring villages is related at some generation back. We have cousins on every block. My relatives there call me "Johannes".

The big caveat about all this, is, however (and perhaps you all are aware as well ... if so forgive me for repeating), that while Edelmann/Eddleman may not be terribly common here in the states, it is a common german name, being formed from two german words, and being a german word itself, meaning "nobleman". However! Adelmann is actually a "more" noble form, and above that, you start seeing titles, etc. In other words, as it was explained to me, "Edelmann" is about as low in rank as one can get, and still be above the typical commoner.

Another note regarding naming, that is probably know as well (sorry!) is that it was very common for sons to be given a standard first name (Johann, e.g.) and then the given name as the second name. Thus, my great grandfather Bruno, was actually baptized Johann Bruno; many of his brothers also had Johann as the first name. It is also interesting to note that the name Michael was very common among the ancestors.

It is clear from the points of origin, that the Edelmann who emigrated from the far western parts of the country (Alsac) were Lutheran; A majority of people along the Rhine are.

Whether or not some early Edelmann left Stangenroth and moved to points west in the 1500-1600 era is anyone's guess. Unfortunately, except in the case of a very astute minister, depending on where you are, most churches didn't start keeping records of commoners until around the 1620's . Trying to find a link between the Bavarian Edelmanns and others might be totally impossible.

Nevertheless, there are certainly other Edelmanns in the United States and elsewhere who are descended from the Stangenroth clan, since there were many generations of them, and who can say who left where/when.

To thanks for the invitation to join, and I hope we can further our collective knowledge in time. Perhaps my most beneficial contribution will be in my understanding and familiarity with Germany, since my roots originate there much more recently (by nearly 150 years) than the Hans David Edelmann connection mentioned in the referenced web site. Since my mail site is at work, I typically respond to queries/comments during the day. I do not usually check my mail on the weekend.

John.


Subject: RE: Do you get my message ? Date: 23 Sep 97 13:29:06 -0500 From: jedelmann@daynt1.daas.dla.mil To: Indbio

snip

>If you got that message which said my >messages from EDDLEMAN-L come in 80% of the time looking like private >messages from the sender, then you are all signed up. > When I sent my message to you yesterday, I send it to you and >Eddleman-L. It appears you did the same on your message of today.

Right.

> My first question is about David. It is a common name in the David zu >Steinseltz line. Yet it never appears in the 300-400 Odenwald names I am >typing in. What is the 1730 spelling of David auf Deutsch, bitte?

According to my wife, David is David, in German and English, however, she noted that it is extremely rare as a given name in Germany. (There are none in all the German ancestors I have). It is a biblical name, certainly, but that is about it. It makes me wonder if the name wasn't changed to David on entry to the United States from some other very obviously (and common) German name, like Wolfgang, or Siegfried.

> My son, Glenn Ray Eddleman, is the so called, "owner", of this list, I >just have a louder mouth. There are 20 members of the list, one is a >German from Austria who is working in Britain. But only 7 members have >ever written anything to Eddleman-L and three of them wrote only when >they joined. Therefore, I am concerned that they are having damaged >message headers as I do and they have assumed the list is defunct. My >son says the from Line should read EDDLEMAN-L.

Where is the list maintained? By your son, I assume?

I'm not real familar how name lists work, though I'm a member of 2 others.

And, I have as yet not received the memo from EDDLEMAN-L. Please notify the others that I have completed initial coding of the web page -based History of the Family at

http://mozart.daas.dla.mil/edelmann.htm. btw, I'll also forward a copy of the previous memo to Keith Buzek - he contacted me directly.

Thanks,

John. >


ubject: More on Philip Date: 23 Sep 97 14:03:52 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear cousins,

I looked through the book, "The American Addlemans" by Robert P. Addleman last night and found more on Philip Edelman and the younger David in Maryland. As follows:

Baltimore Co. Deeds, 1761, Philip Adleman to George Moyers, Pt. Shillings Folly and Phillipsburg, 243 acres, folio 511.

Baltimore Co. Deeds Register 1659-1800, 5 May 1763, David Idleman to George Myers 140 pounds, Bridgeland--addition to Bridgeland.

[Very interesting that these 2 parcels were apparently sold to the same man. This also pushes records on this David forward in Maryland for 2 more years! It also is the first use of the letter "I" for our name that I have seen. That makes about 34 different spellings I have found in 18th century documents! I wish I had copies of the original deeds--oftentimes relationships are mentioned that don't get copied into abstracts.]

The Daniel Edelman that appears in Maryland is pretty well documented by Robert P. Addleman as having settled on the Addleman spelling after moving to Loudoun Co., VA. He died there and left an estate settlement as: Addlerman, Daniel 1792, intestate.

Harold, YOU REALLY NEED THIS BOOK. Robert has one table that lists all the Edelman/Adelman immigrants he could find from his research and from WHE. He also tries to match them up with know PA locations. WHAT ADDRESS CAN I SEND IT TOO?

Again, I'd love to hear from others on this family.

----Bill


ubject: RE: More on Philip Date: 23 Sep 97 14:16:46 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Bill wrote:

> >I looked through the book, "The American Addlemans" by Robert P. Addleman >last night and found more on Philip Edelman and the younger David in >Maryland. As follows: snip >It also is the first use of the letter "I" for our name that I have seen. >That makes about 34 different spellings I have found in 18th century >documents! I wish I had copies of the original deeds--oftentimes >relationships are mentioned that don't get copied into abstracts.]

As I have a more native German spelling of our name (EDELMANN), I have to admit, that I've "heard" nearly *all* of the variations. I've never tried to spell them, but Idleman, Eddleman, Addleman, Adleman, and even Elderman, Eidleman, are all not only found, but common.

>From personal experience, I can say that only about 1 out of 10 people who try to pronounce "EDELMANN" get it any where near right. (The one that gets me the most is EldeRman.... where in sam hill is the "R" coming from !

Oh well. In otherwords, in searches, indexes, etc., it is imperative that the Soundex version of the name be used whenever searching indexes that have this feature.

Bill, I'd like more info on this book. Before today, I had no idea that the anglicized version of Edelmann was so documented. To be honest, I've never even heard of the Eddleman name at all before yesterday (I know, I've lived a very deprived life). ;-)

john.


Yes, there are somewhere around 1500 of us who spell the name "Eddleman". Part of my line also spells it "Eddlemon".

----Bill


t: RE: Harold's address Date: 23 Sep 97 15:16:14 -0500 From: jedelmann@daynt1.daas.dla.mil To: Indbio

> Since John Edelmann got Bill's message on "I" variation of Eddleman >and other matters, looks like he is now on the EDDLEMAN-L. It appeared >that John was not getting messages after he subscribed to the list. I >guess it took a few hours for his name to get on the server list.

I apologize for that confusion... I wasn't on the list before. Signing on took next to no time at all.

>John, I have been having problems typing Johannes from the Weber pages >because sometimes it is Johann. Is Johann just one of the abbreviations >of the name. When Jo or Jho appears, wouldn't it be a good idea to type >the full Johannes? Another problem, in the early 1800 church records >that I saw in Germany, I thought I only say Johann and we use Johann as >the names of same German composers. Is Johann or Johannes the correct

This is a good question. Generally, if the name is Johann, it's Johann, and not Johannes. This is not an abbreviation, though it might be a diminutive form. Johannes is also used for males, however. Whether or not it is more formal or not, I do not know. I had a 3rd cousin in Germany (died as a child in an auto accident) but his name was Johannes. He was probably born around 1975 or so. This is partly why they affectionately used this name for me.

Another note: Other German relatives tend to not automatically transform John to Johann. In the Black Forest area and in my wife's >home near Karlsruhe, I'm called John. > >John.


ubject: MEM-DIS: Copyrights Date: 23 Sep 97 15:53:14 -0500 From: AsaK@aol.com To: Indbio

People often confuse being able to copyright the format (for example a book and its layout) with the actual information contained in the book.

No, you can't copyright a birth date, but you can copyright the format of a collection of birth dates - you have added value by compiling and publishing it.

To get a "legal" understanding of copyrights, take a look at this page:

Practical & Legal Fundamentals of Intellectual Property http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/plfip/plfip3.htm

Asa K. Gage (asak@aol.com)


ect: RE: Zwillinge Date: 23 Sep 97 16:47:02 -0500 From: eddlemsg@vtex03.vt.dupont.com To: Indbio

Dear EDDLEMAN-L

In answer to Harolds question, Zwillinge means twins. I hope this helps, I know a little German but anyone who has access to the web can get to several GERMAN to ENGLISH Dictionaries online. http://www.kr.tuwien.ac.at/~mucker/dictionary.html is a pretty good one. There are some others that specilize in slang, alternative and regional dialects. There are quite a few differences between the German spoken in Bavaria and the German of Berlin. Stephen G. Eddleman


Subject: David & Catherine Eddleman Date: 23 Sep 97 16:47:08 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear cousins,

Just had a thought. Several of my ancestors left Pa. to emigrate to N. Car. in the 18th century. Oftentimes, their departure corresponded to the death of a parent of one spouse. Perhaps we should look in Baltimore Co., Md. for estate records of Philip Eddleman sometime between 1762, when a David & Catherine had a daughter baptised in Md., and 1765, when a David & Catherine appear as sponsors for a baptism in N. Car.

----Bill Eddleman


Subject: Johann/Johannes Date: 23 Sep 97 17:49:58 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Harold and cousins,

I may be completely wrong here, but I had always assumed Johann was used in front of another given name, while Johannes was used if the given name by which the individual is known REALLY WAS John. However, I am no expert on German given names!

----Bill


Subject: Re: Bill says; Phillip Date: 23 Sep 97 18:02:28 -0500 From: joeeddleman@InfoAve.Net To: Indbio

Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. wrote: > > Dear Glenn, copy to Joe@info > Sending a copy of my last letter for you to Bill@SEMO was a good idea. > He has already replied. He suggested you and I look for Estate > settlements for Phillip zu Steinseltz and Catherine Eddleman (KY 1778). > I guess he has already done so but no luck so far. He hopes to try LDS > films (microfilm?), but money was the limitation. > He believes Phillip Jacob moved to Baltimore County, MD, about 1750. > Bill mentioned Jacob had land in present-day Carroll County (maybe he > means Jacobs part of Baltimore county is now Carroll county. > Do you do any research of the above type? do you have any libraries > that have anything? Do you go to Fortwayne Public LIbrary? They get a PA > history journal that has two Edelman references, but I don't thing those > will help us as they are PA Edelmann of Rev war time. > I will send a copy of this to Joe@info. Maybe the WHE collection has > Maryland information. Actually I will send a letter to EDDLEMAN-L. When > we were in Philadelphia, Box 2, {FC Ed 12.2} folder #2 had lines of > Phillip Edleman (1758), Jacob Edleman and others . I believe WHE had > worked at Maryland Hist. Soc.Baltimore, and Hall of Records, Annapolis. > DAD > -- > Harold Eddleman, Ph.D. Microbiology, Genetics, Mol. Biology, Education > mailto:indbio@disknet.com http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab > Indiana Biolab micropropagates virusfree sweetpotato, strawberry, and > caneberries. Our sweetpotato outyielded certified plants 3-fold. Site > has science projects/info for kids, teachers, gardeners, and farmers. > The URL also has: FARMS AROUND THE WORLD. EDDLEMAN GENEALOGY LIBRARY. Dear Harold, The WHE papers do have some information on MAryland research. What are you looking for? A quick review shows a mention of a number of Edelmans ie Johann, Daniel, David, Catharina,Elisabeth and others. For instance, records for the Reformed and Lutheran Congregation at Manchester, Baltimore County, Md. (now Carroll County) lists a Anna Maria Edelman daughter of David and Catharina Edelman, babtised about 3/7/1762, sponsors Friederich Decker and Anna MAria.The records of the Lutheran Church, Frederick County, Md. lists a baptism of Elisabeth Edelman daughter of Daniel Edelmann and wife Elizabeth born 17 Nov. 1771, sponsors Jacob Schaffer and MAria Deckerin. There are also mention of Revolutionary War records of MAryland, Archives of Maryland which mention a Michael Edelman. In the Baptism records of Zion Reformed Church, Hagerstown Md. reference is made to Adam Edelman and wife Eva being sponsers for Joseph, son of Peter Binckel and Elizabeth.There is mention of Phillip Edelman in 1758 in Carroll County and Phillip Adleman in the same time frame.I will be glad to copy the material and send it to you. Please give me your mailing address as I may have misplaced it.

Joe Eddleman


bject: Yet another tidbit on Philip, etc. Date: 23 Sep 97 18:08:52 -0500 From: EDDLEMAN-L@rootsweb.com To: Indbio

Dear cousins,

One more deed record from the Addleman book:

from Robert W. Barnes, "Baltimore County Families 1659-1759", p. 404--Philip Adleman to Daniel Adleman, 15 a. Shilling's Folly and part Phillipsburg. No date given for the deed.

Also:

from F. Edward Wright, comp., "Inhabitants of Baltimore County, 1692-1763, p. 64--Baltimore Co. Debt. book- 1754--Philip Addleman - Phillips Bough.

I saw reference to a Michael Edelman who fought in the Revolution from Maryland in some of the data that has been coming in. I have 2 Michaels who fought in the Revolution--one is the Hans Michael Addleman from Lancaster Co, Pa., who was the progenitor of many of the present-day Addlemans (and usually kept the "A" spelling). The other fought from Maryland (I think--I will double check) and filed for a Rev. War pension from Greene Co., TN in the 1820s. His probable brother Leonard Eddleman also filed for a Rev. War pension from TN. Sherida Eddlemon and I have puzzled over the parentage of these 2, and she has some circumstantial evidence that their father's name was Adam. This is NOT the Adam from Lancaster Co., Pa., because he stayed there, died, and had his estate settled without ever leaving Pa. Another Adam was in Northampton Co., Pa., in Williams Township Congregation Church and other records.

I really wish I could see these Maryland deeds--I may try and get film of them from the local LDS Family History Center.

----Bill